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Old 08-06-2018, 09:00 PM
 
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Are there any other countries where the person who finishes 2nd in an election is the winner? Just asking.
That's never happened in the United States, I'm not sure what you're asking. Donald Trump came out first in the election, Hillary Clinton came out second.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:05 PM
 
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Hillary Clinton got nearly 3 million more votes than Trump in 2016. She was the PEOPLE's choice for President while Trump was selected by the system called the Electoral College which not everyone's rights were equal.
More like the people of California's choice. Let them have her.
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Old 08-07-2018, 05:16 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Electing presidents without a plurality of votes is not good for America. The electoral college disproportionately weights votes. Any system where votes are not equal to one another is inherently anti-democratic (not as in party). The will and vote of the people nationally has been usurped twice in the last five presidential elections.
Your problem is that you fail to understand that we are not a democracy. We are a Republic, comprising 50 sovereign states. Learn some history.

The "plurality of votes" in each state are what counts. If you want to change that, and abolish the states ...good luck.
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:30 AM
 
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Your problem is that you fail to understand that we are not a democracy. We are a Republic, comprising 50 sovereign states. Learn some history.

The "plurality of votes" in each state are what counts. If you want to change that, and abolish the states ...good luck.
The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact would achieve the same effect without abolishing the states (though in the current political climate, there's about zero chance that it'll get enough states for it to go into effect).
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Electing presidents without a plurality of votes is not good for America. The electoral college disproportionately weights votes. Any system where votes are not equal to one another is inherently anti-democratic (not as in party). The will and vote of the people nationally has been usurped twice in the last five presidential elections.
Good point, just as intended by our founding fathers. They wanted all states to elect our Presidents, not a half dozen.
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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That's never happened in the United States, I'm not sure what you're asking. Donald Trump came out first in the election, Hillary Clinton came out second.



You are incorrect. Donald J Trump got some 3 million less popular votes in 2016 coming in 2nd a few percentage points behind Clinton. It happened in 2000 when Gore outpolled Bush in the popular vote as well.
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Old 08-07-2018, 10:22 AM
 
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You are incorrect. Donald J Trump got some 3 million less popular votes in 2016 coming in 2nd a few percentage points behind Clinton. It happened in 2000 when Gore outpolled Bush in the popular vote as well.
Except that we don't elect our President by popular votes.

Been like that for some time.
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Old 08-07-2018, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I guess that with DT being a keen golfer, he would well understand the concept of winning on handicap. Golfers know that a handicap win doesn't make one the best player.

I guess the Electoral College, was an early attempt at affirmative action.
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Old 08-07-2018, 11:45 AM
 
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You are incorrect. Donald J Trump got some 3 million less popular votes in 2016 coming in 2nd a few percentage points behind Clinton. It happened in 2000 when Gore outpolled Bush in the popular vote as well.
Wrong again. There's no such thing as the popular vote in United States Presidential elections, we elect our President based on the rules set forth by our founding fathers. Donald Trump came in 1st place in the 2016 election, he received 77 more electoral votes than Hillary Clinton who came in a distant 2nd place. There is no poll for popular vote, it's meaningless to anyone who knows how our system works.
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Old 08-07-2018, 11:47 AM
 
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I guess that with DT being a keen golfer, he would well understand the concept of winning on handicap. Golfers know that a handicap win doesn't make one the best player.

I guess the Electoral College, was an early attempt at affirmative action.
I'd say that being outspent by double and being attacked by the media non stop for the entire election cycle was a pretty rough handicap but Donald Trump overcame those odds to win.
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