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Old 08-07-2018, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Sure they do, individual votes elected Donald Trump in November 2016.
Your vote doesn't belong to you, it belongs to the electoral college. That's one reason why less votes can win the day.
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Old 08-07-2018, 01:54 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Your vote doesn't belong to you, it belongs to the electoral college. That's one reason why less votes can win the day.
You seem frustrated with the fact that your choice for President lost. Did you support and vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016?
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Old 08-07-2018, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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You seem frustrated with the fact that your choice for President lost. Did you support and vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016?
I'm not frustrated, as I don't vote in US elections.

I just find it a interesting subject. The idea that a system would seek to dilute/enhance the individual's voting power, is an odd one to me.
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Old 08-07-2018, 02:26 PM
 
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I'm not frustrated, as I don't vote in US elections.

I just find it a interesting subject. The idea that a system would seek to dilute/enhance the individual's voting power, is an odd one to me.
It's a pathetically outdated system and should be relegated to the dustbin of history. The becoming more and more arse-backwards USA cannot even get rid of daylight savings.
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Old 08-07-2018, 04:59 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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I'm not frustrated, as I don't vote in US elections.

I just find it a interesting subject. The idea that a system would seek to dilute/enhance the individual's voting power, is an odd one to me.
Are you not a US citizen or do you just choose not to participate in the election process?
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Old 08-07-2018, 05:02 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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It's a pathetically outdated system and should be relegated to the dustbin of history. The becoming more and more arse-backwards USA cannot even get rid of daylight savings.
The founding fathers wanted to ensure that 5 or 6 high population states didn't elect our President every election.

The fact that it upsets you this much proves that it's needed because you'd have no problem with just a few states bulldozing the other 40+ states every time there was a national election. We are a nation of equal states, that's a fundamentally important feature of our constitutional republic.
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Old 08-07-2018, 05:07 PM
 
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The founding fathers wanted to ensure that 5 or 6 high population states didn't elect our President every election.

The fact that it upsets you this much proves that it's needed because you'd have no problem with just a few states bulldozing the other 40+ states every time there was a national election. We are a nation of equal states, that's a fundamentally important feature of our constitutional republic.


Bingo. Their wisdom in devising this wonderful system was incredible.
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Old 08-08-2018, 02:00 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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It's a pathetically outdated system and should be relegated to the dustbin of history. The becoming more and more arse-backwards USA cannot even get rid of daylight savings.
"Pathetically outdated?"

So you think the most populous 5-6 states should decide the presidential elections?
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Old 08-08-2018, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The 5 or 6 most populous counties in each state probably decide each statewide office.



I think the majority of voters should decide elections.

I think every vote should count equally, regardless of what state they come from.

After all, it's a national election for the only national office.

Carry on.

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Old 08-08-2018, 06:52 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact would achieve the same effect without abolishing the states (though in the current political climate, there's about zero chance that it'll get enough states for it to go into effect).
This "movement" would be challenged, I suspect, as millions of voters would be effectively disenfranchised, there votes being declared as having no value. Imagine the cries of outrage if a state's popular vote went to one candidate, but the electors voted for the winner of the nationwide popular vote? Thus, the sovereignty of the State would be nullified, in terms of electing a President.

This is a clever ruse. But it is a violation of the Constitution just the same.
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