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Old 07-05-2018, 10:13 AM
 
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Medicare For All and Debt-Free College as the top two items of the Democratic platform? Yes, I agree. I hope the whole party unites behind those two ideas and gives them top billing. And No. 3: A living wage for all full-time employees.


That's a ticket for Democratic success: Make the Middle Class Prosperous Again
News flash: we have the largest and wealthiest middle class in the industrialized world her ideas may help the very poor but they will destroy the middle working class.
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Old 07-05-2018, 10:15 AM
 
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Medicare For All and Debt-Free College as the top two items of the Democratic platform? Yes, I agree. I hope the whole party unites behind those two ideas and gives them top billing. And No. 3: A living wage for all full-time employees.

That's a ticket for Democratic success: Make the Middle Class Prosperous Again
Also, you have to include three more, in addition to your three priorities:
  1. Political Correctness, uber alles (Aggressive intolerance, bullying, intimidation, harassment and of course name calling of those who fail to submit to Democrat left thought and speech codes)
  2. Identity Politics - Relentless playing of the race card and the homosexual card, with different standards of justice applied to different groups, depending on where they fall on the Democrat left's Political Correctness (see above) social hierarchy ladder
  3. Open borders (abolish ICE)
  4. Medicare For All (Socialized medicine - Government run, single payer)
  5. Debt-Free College
  6. A living wage (free cash payments for everyone, welfare for all)
The Republican party could not craft a better agenda for their political opponents than this.

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Old 07-05-2018, 10:17 AM
 
Location: London
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News flash: we have the largest and wealthiest middle class in the industrialized world her ideas may help the very poor but they will destroy the middle working class.
The middle working class gets screwed the most when it comes to healthcare. They're entirely at the mercy of fickle, for-profit insurance companies. The poor have Medicaid, the obscenely rich can afford healthcare with or without insurance.
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Old 07-05-2018, 10:21 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Well, she certainly wasn't a Republican herself. And her "ideas" are pretty insanely leftist, even for a Democrat. But she surprised everybody, including herself, by turfing out a longtime, liberal congressman in the NY primary for her district. People are still trying to figure out how she did it. And she herself can't really come up with any answers beyond "I'm great" or "I'm the choice of the people" or other standard bromides.

Here's some speculation. I have no evidence that any of this has happened, but if it did, it makes far more sense than anything else anyone has come up with.

Did Cortez get a whole lot of support from anonymous quarters? Contributors who are hidden behind shell companies, people who didn't contribute to her but to an organization trying to "elect new blood", and so are not required to identify themselves since they aren't supporting one particular candidate, but gave a wink and a nod as to who it would be nice to see win? Supporters who quietly ran their own ads that said "Paid For by the New York Society of Homebuilders" or something, at the bottom? Etc.?

Did these anonymous donors see an advantage to booting out a well-established Democrat who was virtually certain to be re-elected to his seat in November, and get a straight socialist with even-more-loony ideas that nobody had ever heard of? Someone so nuts that she would have a hard time winning even in a usually-Democrat district in New York City?

Might be a surprisingly viable idea. Whatever Republican runs against her in November, might suddenly have a chance, where he formerly had none. Might the voters look at this new Socialist candidate and decide the Democrats have finally gone too far, nominating a nutcase who wants to put everybody on Welfare and flood the district with 500,000 illegal aliens once ICE is gone? And decide that even a Republican would be better for the district than THAT?

I wonder...???


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b05127cced6a24



If it was, she will still beat anybody with an R by their name, in that district.
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Old 07-05-2018, 10:22 AM
 
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When is the Democrat Party going to change it's name to the Socialist Party?
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Old 07-05-2018, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Well, she certainly wasn't a Republican herself. And her "ideas" are pretty insanely leftist, even for a Democrat. But she surprised everybody, including herself, by turfing out a longtime, liberal congressman in the NY primary for her district. People are still trying to figure out how she did it. And she herself can't really come up with any answers beyond "I'm great" or "I'm the choice of the people" or other standard bromides.

Here's some speculation. I have no evidence that any of this has happened, but if it did, it makes far more sense than anything else anyone has come up with.

Did Cortez get a whole lot of support from anonymous quarters? Contributors who are hidden behind shell companies, people who didn't contribute to her but to an organization trying to "elect new blood", and so are not required to identify themselves since they aren't supporting one particular candidate, but gave a wink and a nod as to who it would be nice to see win? Supporters who quietly ran their own ads that said "Paid For by the New York Society of Homebuilders" or something, at the bottom? Etc.?

Did these anonymous donors see an advantage to booting out a well-established Democrat who was virtually certain to be re-elected to his seat in November, and get a straight socialist with even-more-loony ideas that nobody had ever heard of? Someone so nuts that she would have a hard time winning even in a usually-Democrat district in New York City?

Might be a surprisingly viable idea. Whatever Republican runs against her in November, might suddenly have a chance, where he formerly had none. Might the voters look at this new Socialist candidate and decide the Democrats have finally gone too far, nominating a nutcase who wants to put everybody on Welfare and flood the district with 500,000 illegal aliens once ICE is gone? And decide that even a Republican would be better for the district than THAT?

I wonder...???


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b05127cced6a24
Polls, regardless of who is polling, continuously show the favorability rating of Congress to be in the toilet.

Her opponent has 10 terms under his belt. Who knows many people voted against her opponent instead of for her?

She anecdotally attributed her win to the youth vote who don’t usually turn out for midterms.

She did a lot of old fashioned door knocking and is bilingual

She performed best in NW Queens where the Latino vote is not much of a factor.

Her messaging appeals to a lot of people.

Assuming she wins, she will be one of 435 votes in the House.

In my state, the GOP did not primary out an avowed white supremacist and Nazi running for Congress on the Republican ticket.

Does this Nazi represent the changing face of the GOP?

His opponent, Lipman, is another Democrat lifer in Congress. Contrary to popular opinion on this forum, where using a broad brush is common, this Democrat opposed the ACA, is pro life, opposes SSM and did not endorse Obama in 2012.

He reflects the cultural conservatism of the majority of his Democrat constituents who somehow voted for Bernie in the primary. Go figure.

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Old 07-05-2018, 10:23 AM
 
Location: London
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Also, you have to include three more, in addition to your three priorities:
  1. Political Correctness, uber alles (Aggressive intolerance, bullying, intimidation, harassment and of course name calling of those who fail to submit to Democrat left thought and speech codes)
  2. Identity Politics - Relentless playing of the race card and the homosexual card, with different standards of justice applied to different groups, depending on where they fall on the Democrat left's social Political Correctness (see above) social hierarchy ladder
  3. Open borders (abolish ICE)
  4. Medicare For All (Socialized medicine - Government run, single payer)
  5. Debt-Free College
  6. A living wage (free cash payments for everyone, welfare for all)
The Republican party could not craft a better agenda for their political opponents than this.
The only logical one is Medicare for all. I would love for there to be a politician who strives for that without succumbing to the clutter included in the "Liberal" package deal, such as everything else on that list.
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Old 07-05-2018, 10:36 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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The only logical one is Medicare for all. I would love for there to be a politician who strives for that without succumbing to the clutter included in the "Liberal" package deal, such as everything else on that list.
That sounds OK to me.
I would add free tuition for Community College -- two years max. Not to a four-year college. It would help job preparedness and might serve as an incentive to finish high school. At any rate, it would help curtail the student loan problem. It might even pare down the bloat and dead wood in the higher education system.
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Old 07-31-2018, 06:52 AM
 
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If Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez isn't a GOP plant, could be possible then she might be the plant of someone else?
https://dailycaller.com/2018/07/30/s...ocasio-cortez/
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Old 07-31-2018, 06:53 AM
 
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Here's some speculation. I have no evidence that any of this has happened, but if it did, it makes far more sense than anything else anyone has come up with.
Here's the only part of the OP that's worth reading.
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