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Old 06-20-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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It was only 96% went to Hillary...I knew then that Trump would win and I turned out to right and the polls turned out to be wrong....nothing's changed.
Presidential Pollsters Political Contributions: Heavily For Hillary Clinton - Rasmussen Reports®
1. You stated that 97% of pollsters contributed to Democrats. That’s not what your documentation says.

2. The contributions you were mentioned were from a total of 5 pollsters, out of probably at least a hundred active pollsters.

3. You stated that polls are purposely biased to make Democrats look good. Your own documentation refutes that assertion.

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”There is no evidence that any of the polling firms concerned have juiced their surveys or numbers in any way.”

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Old 06-20-2019, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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1. You stated that 97% of pollsters contributed to Democrats. That’s not what your documentation says.

2. The contributions you were mentioned were from a total of 5 pollsters, out of probably at least a hundred active pollsters.

3. You stated that polls are purposely biased to make Democrats look good. Your own documentation refutes that assertion.
They were dead wrong in predicting that Hillary would win in a landslide were they not...either they were completely incompetent or deliberately lied, the result is the same, they are not reliable.
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Old 06-20-2019, 09:46 AM
 
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They were dead wrong in predicting that Hillary would win in a landslide were they not...either they were completely incompetent or deliberately lied, the result is the same, they are not reliable.
That’s your opinion. In the words of the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan “you are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts.”

What you stated was not supported even by what you listed as supporting documentation.

That’s all you got?
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Old 06-20-2019, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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That’s your opinion. In the words of the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan “you are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts.”

What you stated was not supported even by what you listed as supporting documentation.

That’s all you got?
That's more than I need to prove I'm right and you're wrong. Anyway, please continue to delude yourself, very amusing.
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Old 06-20-2019, 11:07 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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That's more than I need to prove I'm right and you're wrong. Anyway, please continue to delude yourself, very amusing.
Here's what your own source had to say about your beliefs in a little greater detail:

"There is no evidence that any of the polling firms concerned have juiced their surveys or numbers in any way. Most pollsters, including those listed here, make much of their money doing corporate work and surveys, not political polling. However, perhaps there is an argument to be made for transparency among polling companies as to their donations – and journalists should be equally open."

If you have any reading skills, you will instantly see this full paragraph is a mixed bag that you could have used without making such ridiculous assertions. You chose the wrong things to argue.

But I doubt you even want an honest discussion anyway. Just remember that when faith overcomes facts, it's the faithful who end up swallowing the poisoned Kool-Aide.
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Old 06-21-2019, 02:39 AM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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OH, who cares? The bottom line is, D. T. will be taken out. YEE-haw.
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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I know and care but I don't care if you know or care and you obviously don't either. Idiots cling to polls that are proven consistently wrong and biased.

The polls that are less biased have more worth and credibility. I always look to see how many Republicans versus Demorats are polled if they provide that information, that way I can ascertain if there's any credibility attempted....many of the polls that you and other ignorant Dems were clinging to had polled 2 Dims for every Republican so I knew they were way off but you cling to the anyway because it gave a result you liked. Anyway, carry on with your foolishness.

I'll party like Ferris Bueller every day.
Pollsters weigh their findings to mirror the total electorate for certain identifying characteristics of those polled that are not subject to change. These include:

1. Race
2. Gender
3. Age Grouping
4. Educational Attainment

Polls ask for “voter party ID” rather than “party registration” and they don’t set a fixed weight for Republican or Democratic Party ID, because unlike the factors listed above, they are subject to change.

You and I aren’t going to flip on our party ID and maybe 90% don’t flip, but over time the numbers on Party ID can shift dramatically from election to election. Measuring that relative change in Party self-identification has been used as a gauge of voter sentiment literally for decades. If you arbitrarily weigh for party registration, you’re not going to pick up on those subtle changes and your poll wouldn’t be worth the paper it’s printed on.

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Old 06-21-2019, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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OH, who cares? The bottom line is, D. T. will be taken out. YEE-haw.
Yeah, DT will finish his 2nd term in 2025...all is good.
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Old 06-21-2019, 10:14 PM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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Yeah, DT will finish his 2nd term in 2025...all is good.
If that fantasy makes you feel better.....
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Old 06-22-2019, 07:38 AM
 
Location: The Woodlands, TX
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"Michael Moore, Piers Morgan say Trump appears to be headed for reelection"



https://news.yahoo.com/michael-moore...170732723.html
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