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Old 06-22-2019, 10:51 AM
 
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...MZsJHHRv5e_V1E

Warren’s ideological and political transformations also occurred well before she entertained running for public office—lending them an authenticity often lacking in politicians who change their policy positions out of self-interest.

Not offering up an opinion on Warren -- just found this interesting article.

This kind of press can't hurt her with the moderates right?
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Old 06-22-2019, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Many fiscal conservatives are liberal on social issues.

And vice versa of course.
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Old 06-22-2019, 11:41 AM
 
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The only one that can hurt Warren is Warren. She is an absolute nut of a flip flopper, pivoting and pandering to whomever will listen to her fake outrage over issues that are not that important.

She lied to the people of Massachusetts when she told us that she wasn't going to run for the WH but instead the people of Mass were her primary concern, she won the reelection easily and guess where she was the next day? campaigning for the Presidency. Her fans give her a pass but the rest of us call her "Lieawatha".





Warren is like a ping pong ball bouncing around to wherever will help her the most.
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Old 06-22-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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The only one that can hurt Warren is Warren. She is an absolute nut of a flip flopper, pivoting and pandering to whomever will listen to her fake outrage over issues that are not that important.

She lied to the people of Massachusetts when she told us that she wasn't going to run for the WH but instead the people of Mass were her primary concern, she won the reelection easily and guess where she was the next day? campaigning for the Presidency. Her fans give her a pass but the rest of us call her "Lieawatha".





Warren is like a ping pong ball bouncing around to wherever will help her the most.
Agreed on all points.

Warren's main appeal is that she's a woman (there are people who think it's "her turn" to become president, policies be damned), the fact that she made a big splash with a proposal to forgive everyone's student loan debt (admittingly, Bernie has been quiet on this idea), and that's she's not Bernie.

Other than that, she's going to have a hard time in the general election trying to appeal to the working class in Middle America who's seeking a populist.
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Old 06-22-2019, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Warren's multitude of proposed "free stuff" policies are pandering to buy votes by promising to take earnings from worker's and distributing their earnings to her voters. I find that way of thinking and warren's policies greedy and immoral.

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Old 06-22-2019, 12:15 PM
 
Location: New York
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Pretty much all of the above.



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https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...MZsJHHRv5e_V1E

Warren’s ideological and political transformations also occurred well before she entertained running for public office—lending them an authenticity often lacking in politicians who change their policy positions out of self-interest.

Not offering up an opinion on Warren -- just found this interesting article.

This kind of press can't hurt her with the moderates right?
ALL of the candidates are pandering to their extreme base, which only makes up 1/3rd of the party. They are all flip-flopping to take out Biden and compete with Sanders. Whoever is nominated will then move right back to the middle and pander to the entire country.

They will have been for anything before they were against everything and then come right back to being for it all, again.

Politicians are lying whenever their mouths are moving.

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Many fiscal conservatives are liberal on social issues.

And vice versa of course.
Those would the Libertarians. We are all fiscal conservatives and social liberal. Small lean efficient government (stop the waste, carve-outs, loopholes, overlap, pork) and let people do what they will as long as it harms nobody else.

The two parties are no longer what they used to be.

We Libertarians are Constitutional moderates - exactly what Liberals and Republicans once pretended to be.
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Old 06-22-2019, 12:25 PM
 
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"This kind of press can't hurt her with the moderates right?"
will not hurt nor help.
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Old 06-22-2019, 12:55 PM
 
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Pretty much all of the above.





ALL of the candidates are pandering to their extreme base, which only makes up 1/3rd of the party. They are all flip-flopping to take out Biden and compete with Sanders. Whoever is nominated will then move right back to the middle and pander to the entire country.

They will have been for anything before they were against everything and then come right back to being for it all, again.

Politicians are lying whenever their mouths are moving.



Those would the Libertarians. We are all fiscal conservatives and social liberal. Small lean efficient government (stop the waste, carve-outs, loopholes, overlap, pork) and let people do what they will as long as it harms nobody else.

The two parties are no longer what they used to be.

We Libertarians are Constitutional moderates - exactly what Liberals and Republicans once pretended to be.
Everyone but Warren will flip.
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Old 06-22-2019, 12:57 PM
 
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I was a very conservative Republican voter for years. Then got more open minded. So did Hillary. She started out as a Goldwater supporting Methodist just like me.

I haven't changed that much. The Republican party has.
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:12 PM
 
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Everyone but Warren will flip.

Not even close. She will flip like a pancake.


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I was a very conservative Republican voter for years. Then got more open minded. So did Hillary. She started out as a Goldwater supporting Methodist just like me.

I haven't changed that much. The Republican party has.

I left the party after GWB got us into the Iraq war. NOW it is the Dems who have become the Warhawks. MSM and the DEMs said they were afraid Trump would get us into a war with Iran, now they are angry he didn't! Like WTH?

I don't recognize either party, but the Dems have done a complete 90 degree left turn and are headed for a cliff.

I believe they are miscalculating just how close to Marxism/Socialism they can cuddle up to.






Can we all agree that Booker and Gillibrand are THE WORST candidates in the lineup?


I still like Gabbard the most.
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