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Old 02-21-2020, 07:29 AM
 
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The idea that the supporters of someone who can't even be bothered to associate with the Democratic party until he needs support and money to run for President can be justifiably outraged if the DNC follow their pre-existing rules and select someone other than Bernie at a brokered convention is beyond absurd.
Yes, totally absurd to follow the will of the democratic electorate. Sanders is the clear front runner already and handily beats any of the other candidates, including Biden and Bloomberg in head-to-head polls. If Sanders also get the most votes by a significant margin, it would be outrageous to hand pick someone else.

Trump is laughing his head off at the thought the DNC selecting someone with 15% of the vote as the nominee.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:31 AM
 
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Bloomberg will draw in some independents and some disaffected republicans. He is kind of Trump light. Maybe he is abusive towards women, but not as abusive. Maybe he is condescending and rude, but not as condescending and rude. Bernie would trash the economy and giggle with joy as he did it. Bloomberg will nto trash the economy - at least not on purpose. Bloomberg might have a chance. Biden might as well.
Yes, I am sure a Trump light as the nominee would cause big excitement among the democratic base and people would run to the polls.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:34 AM
 
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Yes, totally absurd to follow the will of the democratic electorate. Sanders is the clear front runner already and handily beats any of the other candidates, including Biden and Bloomberg in head-to-head polls. If Sanders also get the most votes by a significant margin, it would be outrageous to hand pick someone else.

Trump is laughing his head off at the thought the DNC selecting someone with 15% of the vote as the nominee.
No, Trump is salivating at the idea of accusing his political opponent of being a socialist who has sworn to take away their health insurance and replace it with a government run program that costs tens of trillions of dollars funded by tax increases to the middle class and, in turn, have his opponent agree that he is a socialist who has sworn to take away their health insurance and replace it with a government run program that costs tens of trillions of dollars funded by tax increases to the middle class.

The Democrats have the binary option of picking between someone who embraces their most extreme left views as a matter of principle and someone who compromises to reach a middle ground for incremental change as a matter of practicality. In other words, they can be rigidly principled and lose or compromise and win.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:54 AM
 
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Yes, totally absurd to follow the will of the democratic electorate. Sanders is the clear front runner already and handily beats any of the other candidates, including Biden and Bloomberg in head-to-head polls. If Sanders also get the most votes by a significant margin, it would be outrageous to hand pick someone else.

Trump is laughing his head off at the thought the DNC selecting someone with 15% of the vote as the nominee.
There have been two contests and Bernie has not moved past the mid twenties. If he stays stuck in that range and anyone is close you will likely see the moderates consolidate around one candidate. If nothing else Dem house members will take their chances with Berners staying home because they realize he can put those swing Districts Dems swept in 2018 at major risk. Look at the record of liberals vs moderates in flipping seats in 2018- it was the moderates who won the necessary seats from Rs.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
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Such idiocy the Democratic Party is rooted in anymore. They are clueless and hapless to back a guy like Bernie. They are so ignorant to the reality that 60% of America won't vote for this guy. He has no path to beating a Repulican, none.

Face the facts: 28 % identify as Republican amd 28% identify as Democrat. That leaves 41% percent in the middle most of whom would never ever vote for a hard left socialist. Independents like myself tend to be moderates who lean one way or the other but would never vote for a hard right or a hard left. Bernie is way too hard left for me to get behind and I think most independents will say the same. If Bernie gets the nomination the Democrats are toast again.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:05 AM
 
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Such idiocy the Democratic Party is rooted in anymore. They are clueless and hapless to back a guy like Bernie. They are so ignorant to the reality that 60% of America won't vote for this guy. He has no path to beating a Repulican, none.

Face the facts: 28 % identify as Republican amd 28% identify as Democrat. That leaves 41% percent in the middle most of whom would never ever vote for a hard left socialist. Independents like myself tend to be moderates who lean one way or the other but would never vote for a hard right or a hard left. Bernie is way too hard left for me to get behind and I think most independents will say the same. If Bernie gets the nomination the Democrats are toast again.
There is zero "hard left" about Bernie. The guy is firmly planted in social democratic traditions and his policies would be embraced by most conservative parties in the rest of the developed world. He's a FDR-New Deal democrat. FDR was the most popular president in the last 100 years. If you seriously believe higher SS benefits, getting big money out of politics, strengthening labor unions and Medicare-for-all is "hard left", then you're way to the right of the mainstream. That's why Bernie is the most popular senator in the country, and he regularly gets lots of support among republicans in Vermont. They know who he is better than anyone.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Yes, totally absurd to follow the will of the democratic electorate. Sanders is the clear front runner already and handily beats any of the other candidates, including Biden and Bloomberg in head-to-head polls. If Sanders also get the most votes by a significant margin, it would be outrageous to hand pick someone else.

Trump is laughing his head off at the thought the DNC selecting someone with 15% of the vote as the nominee.
DNC is as big a problem for the Democrats as Trump is. You need a total flush.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:59 AM
 
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There is zero "hard left" about Bernie. The guy is firmly planted in social democratic traditions and his policies would be embraced by most conservative parties in the rest of the developed world. He's a FDR-New Deal democrat. FDR was the most popular president in the last 100 years. If you seriously believe higher SS benefits, getting big money out of politics, strengthening labor unions and Medicare-for-all is "hard left", then you're way to the right of the mainstream. That's why Bernie is the most popular senator in the country, and he regularly gets lots of support among republicans in Vermont. They know who he is better than anyone.
Best to take your meds before you post.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Would you consider Canada or the UK to be socialist countries?

All Bernie is advocating is policies similar to those nations.

Why do you people keep insisting falsely that he is advocating to be Soviet Russia or Venezuela?
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:37 AM
 
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How anyone can believe that higher Social Security benefits is dangerous socialism that will inevitably lead to 100 million corpses is just mind boggling.
+1. Righties can't argue against Democratic Socialism on its merits so they have to lie, distort and conflate it with communism, Stalin, etc.

"Socialism" is popular with the under-40 demographic and is a key reason why Bernie Sanders is the current front-runner; that, and he's viewed as genuine, consistent, and has never wavered from his goal of making life better for the working poor and middle class.
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