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Old 11-27-2020, 06:06 PM
 
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Nope, it is corruption. Make no mistake about it, this is not coming as a surprise to anyone.

Don't expect these efforts to succeed. It will be very hard to get enough Republicans to go along with it in any legislature.
It's corruption on the democrat's side.
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Old 11-27-2020, 06:17 PM
 
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It's corruption on the democrat's side.
Do you have some kind of evidence? If so, call Rudy Giuliani.
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Old 11-27-2020, 06:57 PM
 
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Please cite the section of the US Constitution that you are referencing that would allow this, along with any relevant precedent. Remember, this is a Federal election.
Good question. 10th Amendment. The text of the Constitution pretty much says a presidential election is legitimate when the Electoral College says it is. It doesn’t lay out a process for do-overs. That means it's up to states to decide that. 10th Amendment.

That's what the founder's intended- the states will decide federal elections- NOT the executive office of the president. That would be a profound conflict of interest.

States have 6 days before Electoral College day to decide it's electors without congress getting involved. Known as safe harbor day. This year Electoral College day is on Dec 14 and states must have electors by Dec 7 to be 'safe' and avoid congress getting involved. if they don't, or they have a conflicting vote (no winner), it goes to congress.

Until Dec 7 (safe from congress) and by sure Dec 14 Electoral voting day, the gov can certify an election but doing so doesn't 'turn-off' the legislature's power to write election law. Or any law.

The state legislatures decide how voting will happen and how electors are chosen by Dec 7. Not the gov. Not a state official. Not Trump. Not Biden. Not the media. The state legislatures. In all states. Within federal law (like cutoff date)
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Old 11-27-2020, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I don't think there are enough dumb legislators out there who would risk being scorned tarred and feathered by millions of angry voters to steal the election from Biden.
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Old 11-27-2020, 07:13 PM
 
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The power is not limited to "in session" or "out of session" or "if called by governor". It is a direct power given by the U.S. Constitution only to state legislatures and only regarding selection of electors for President and Vice President.
A state legislature cannot “act” in any way outside of an appropriately called session. It’s the reason you have them; and why there are ways to have a “special session” outside normally scheduled sessions. You need an appropriately called session, a quorum, a majority vote to authorize any appointments. It’s not just laws that require it. It’s any action by the legislature at all. Anything else would be action by individual state senators and not the legislature itself as required by the constitution.

In any regard, the state certified the vote already and selected the electors from the Democratic Party. Lawmakers are on vacation now and will be until January.

The OP is complete, utter, total bull**** — just like I said.
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Old 11-27-2020, 07:27 PM
 
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I don't think there are enough dumb legislators out there who would risk being scorned tarred and feathered by millions of angry voters to steal the election from Biden.
Yep. They will consider that the far left has shown it's ok to riot in the streets, burn police stations, loot, and take over city blocks, if you are protesting a perceived injustice.

If the election was tainted by 100,000's votes not counted under voting law procedure, like observers from both sides not present, then it's the LAW that says those votes should not be counted. It's not a perceived opinion. it would be lawful to void the unlawful votes.

A vote is lawful when state law voting guidelines are followed. If not, that vote is not lawful. If I submit 50 ballots that I voted on, then 49 are not lawful. But what if it's not possible to void just the unlawful votes? What if evidence shows the county election center didn't tally votes under state election law guidelines? Now what? Try and void the unlawful votes if possible. if not possible that election center ruined it for the whole county! Votes were not tallied under state guidelines. This is like holding a football match with teams having different number of players. Guidelines not followed. Yea but team A 'won'. No they didn't.

This forces legislatures to make a hard decision. Ignore evidence and do nothing. Or redo election. Or select electors.
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Old 11-27-2020, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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They sure would. They will consider that the far left ha shown it's ok to riot in the streets, burn police stations, loot, and take over city blocks, if you are protesting a perceived injustice.

If the election was tainted by 100,000's votes not counted under voting law procedure, like observers from both sides not present, the it's the LAW that says those votes should not be counted. It's not a perceived opinion. it would lawful to void the unlawful votes.

A vote is lawful when state law voting guidelines are followed. If not, that vote is not lawful. If I submit 50 ballots that I voted on, then 49 are not lawful. But what if it's not possible to void just the unlawful votes? What if evidence shows the county election center didn't tally votes under state election law guidelines? Now what? Try and void the unlawful votes if possible. if not possible that election center ruined it for the whole county! Votes were not tallied under state guidelines. This is like holding a football match with teams having different number of players. Guidelines not followed. Yea but team A 'won'. No they didn't.

This forces legislatures to make a hard decision. Ignore evidence and do nothing. Or redo election. Or select electors.
What evidence? there has been none that's why the Trump camp has lost close to to 40 lawsuits now. You just can't make stuff up that might work on Fox news and Oann but not in the court of law.
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Old 11-27-2020, 07:33 PM
 
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The OP is complete, utter, total bull**** — just like I said.
Over the past 4 years Democrats who hate Trump have been paying a lot of money that may help him win Wisconsin in 2020. See my thread on Did Dr. Jill Stein hand Wisconsin 2020 to Trump.

Personally I think it's more amazing that Trump hating Democrats may have handed the keys Trump needs to easily flip this election due to 4 years of diligent litigation by Dr. Stein and friends.

So if you think Republicans not supporting fraud is BS, well OK, what about Democrats spending tons of money to help Trump win 2020? Amazing, huh?
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Old 11-27-2020, 07:33 PM
 
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The resolution has not yet been voted on by either the state House or Senate. It is not expected to get a vote before lawmakers’ terms end on Monday.
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Old 11-27-2020, 07:35 PM
 
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Have no fear, Jill Stein and Democrats who hate Trump may have just given the 2020 election to him. This is an amazing turnabout. It's like the more you hate Trump, the more powerful you make him, literally.
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