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Old 05-24-2008, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Boston Ma
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When are you guys going to realize that Obama is pandering to groups like Cuban Americans. He is as phony as any politician I have ever seen. He is selling a raw deal to America. A phony like Obama will say anything you want to hear to get your vote then turn his back on you when he gets elected. There is no way he can effectively change anything.

Obama is a total wuss. At least with Hillary you know what you are getting. She's a tough old broad who will stand up to our enemies. Not like Obama who wants to sit down and have a discussion. Have you ever won a fight by sitting down and talking things over? Hell no and neither has anytone else! The Obama "Wuss Way" will not work!
Posted by a 2nd generation cuban in another post, but I thought it was dead on...hope you don't mind. I agree with everything this guy had to say. It's not about anything. This country has been in constant "Change" since it's inception. How most American have been duped by a false message of "change" is beyond me. Whats reallt tragic about this, is that the other day I was talking to a black twenty something about this election. I asked him who he was voting for, and he said the brother. I asked what was the brothers platform, and he had no idea what I was talking about. It's scary to think that most of the young voters are voting for this guy because they think it's cool or "IN" to vote for him. It gets me sick to think that someone with NO FORIENG POLICY is actually running to be commander and chief of our armed forces!!! Step Back and THINK!! ok...nuff ranting...
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Old 05-24-2008, 01:18 AM
 
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Just a couple more weeks to go..... Go Obama go!

YES WE CAN!
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Old 05-24-2008, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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Funny coming from someone who lives off her husband

Natalay, I do drive by a food bank allot, a church feeds I drive by to the other side of town has free lunches everyday and it drives me nuts to see perfectly healthly people who can work to feed themselves would be standing in line for free handouts. I have seen the same people in the same line for more then 2 years now, they get up, dont go to work, head to get there handout and do it all over again the next day. It is sad for sure to see this, but my goodness, these people need to feed themselves. I know not everyone can because of health issues, but many in this line for more then a year are perfectly capable of doing something at a job.
As you know I am not free for handouts, free housing or free health care.
Okay this is driving me crazy because you keep doing it ALLOT is not the word you are looking for. That have a completely different meaning from A LOT.

Anyway, your comment was "I see people standing on the corner with vote for obama signs and then go stand in line at the food bank and welfare office" and we all know you don't see that. You just said it to be mean and nasty and because you are unable to carry on a civil conversation unless everyone is agreeing with what you are saying.

Now, AND THIS IS COMPLETELY ASSUMPTION, Hilary keeps claiming she's the only one who can reach those hard-working, blue-collar voters - well according to the news those are the families applying for food stamps now..those middle class families who have been squeezed by the rising gas and food prices...so wouldn't that mean some of Clinton's supporters are ALSO standing in line at the food bank? In fact, I'll bet some of McCain's supporters are standing in line at the food bank too.

Maybe its just the food bank that YOU go to....it's probably near the cabrini-green projects right? That would explain the massive amount of Obamakins
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Old 05-24-2008, 07:07 PM
 
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A quick reminder, America is at war with the rest of the world, if you guys don't wanna win, then fine, vote for Obama. :-)
I think secretly Americans want to lose, and their confidence in Obama for "change" reflects that secret wish.
It's time to do your coming out. "Yes I'm American and I want my country to be overrun by Islamic terrorists, the Mexican Mafia and French porno dvd's."
Just say it, it's alright.

(IRONY)
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Old 05-24-2008, 07:28 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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A quick reminder, America is at war with the rest of the world
Not really.

But if it makes you feel better to think so, go right ahead.
Fortunately a more rational mind will be running things next year.

Ken
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Old 05-24-2008, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I think secretly Americans want to lose,
No. The liberals and left-wing kooks, the hate-america/blame-america crowd wants to see us lose.
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Old 05-24-2008, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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No. The liberals and left-wing kooks, the hate-america/blame-america crowd wants to see us lose.
Not even close,
The Lunatic Biblethumpers are by far the most rabid bunch praying for America to fall on account of our sinful ways.

Second would be the militia-types and people who hide in the mountains and simulate military style training excercises, usually out west preparing for the day when they will take over.

Third would be the KKK, Aryans and White Supremicists. No explanation necessary.

One of the most obvious commonalities of these factions is that they are all dangerous fringe groups that almost always align themselves with the GOP come election time. I suppose the GOP is a big tent after all.
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Old 05-24-2008, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Then why is it that the left-wing kooks are always on the side of our enemies, rooting for their victory?

All you have to do is listen to the nuts like Chavez, Ahmadinjad, Bin Laden - all their rhetoric sounds familiar because they get it straight from the dem/lib talking points.

The liberal elitist/ acadamia ilk despise our military and everything it stands for, they are the ones who detest the sight of the flag and hope for the US to be taken down a notch.

Sorry, but it is true.
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Old 05-24-2008, 10:20 PM
 
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Then why is it that the left-wing kooks are always on the side of our enemies, rooting for their victory?

All you have to do is listen to the nuts like Chavez, Ahmadinjad, Bin Laden - all their rhetoric sounds familiar because they get it straight from the dem/lib talking points.

The liberal elitist/ acadamia ilk despise our military and everything it stands for, they are the ones who detest the sight of the flag and hope for the US to be taken down a notch.

Sorry, but it is true.


Do you have anything approaching proof? I have never seen you post any proof or facts or anything approaching common sense...just hate-filled ranting....well, rant on....get in practice for when Obama is president
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Old 05-24-2008, 10:59 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Then why is it that the left-wing kooks are always on the side of our enemies, rooting for their victory?

All you have to do is listen to the nuts like Chavez, Ahmadinjad, Bin Laden - all their rhetoric sounds familiar because they get it straight from the dem/lib talking points.

The liberal elitist/ acadamia ilk despise our military and everything it stands for, they are the ones who detest the sight of the flag and hope for the US to be taken down a notch.

Sorry, but it is true.
Your post reminds me an interview that Shep Smith had with Alan Colmes (from the Hannity and Colmes show). Shep asked Colmes "Are Conservatives mean?". Colmes reply was (something to the effect of) "They're not mean, but they think differently from Liberals. Conservatives tend to think in terms of black and white " - ("You are either with us on the GWOT or against us", "Abortion is murder - period", etc, etc, etc). He went on to say that Liberals in turn, think in shades of gray ("Yes I am for the GWOT but against the invasion of Iraq because it's a distraction from the real struggle", "Yes, murdering a baby is wrong, but a fetus is not yet a baby" etc, etc, etc).

You make EXACTLY the assertion that so many hard-core Conservatives make - that is, "because Liberals criticise things America is doing, it means they hate America" - making you a living example of what Alan Colmes was talking about. Liberals don't HATE AMERICA - they hate some of the THINGS AMERICA IS DOING. There is an enormous difference - that clearly you cannot or will not recognize. Your failure to recognize that difference does not mean that difference does not exist.

The fact is, Liberals love America just as much as anyone else - but they also recognize:

#1 - That other countries and other people can be good too and that sometimes they can be in the right.
#2 - America is not ALWAYS in the right. We preach high ideals, but as a nation we don't always live up to them - and that criticism of America when it does these things does NOT make one a traitor to America. The fact is - Liberals simply want America to actually live up to it's ideals rather than just preach them.

The fact is, America supports dictators all around the world. Look at the list of dictators that we've supported:

Noriega - Panama
The Shah of Iran - Iran
Papa Doc & Baby Doc - Haiti
Suharto - Indonesia
Saddam - Iraq
Batista - Cuba

This is a VERY partial list. The complete list goes on and on and on. We have even overthrown legitimate democracies to install dictators that were more friendly to the US.

Like every other powerful nation throught history, US foreign policy is meant to further US interests (economic, political, and military) - or at least the interests as whatever administration is in power sees them. It is NOT meant to spread freedom or any other "high ideal" - unless the spread of those ideals is going to directly benefit the US in one of the ways mentioned.

Conservatives generally approve of this - because they tend to view anything that is in the US's interest as being a good thing. Liberals on the other hand take a broader, less US-centric view believing that the US should do what is RIGHT - whether it is US interests or not- and sometimes what is RIGHT is NOT in the US's interest - at least not in the short run. They believe that if the US does what is RIGHT rather than what is simply in the US's immediate interests, over the long run it will work out to be MORE in the US's interests. For example - US support of Dictators all around the world is done to keep other people out of power - people that are considered to harbor anti-US views.

But consider the long-term impacts of the US supporting such dictators. Iran is a perfect example. All we really did by supporting the Shah for so long was alienate the population of Iran (who were being brutalized by the Shah's secret police, etc) so that when the time came that the Shah was overthrown, the folks coming into power were violently anti-US - to a large degree because the Shah was so closely associated with the US. We became those peoples best recruiting tool because they could point to us and proclaim us as the "Great Satan" - and the Iranians had good reason to believe them since we had helped the Shah keep them oppressed.

This happens over and over again all over the world all the time - and is STILL going on today - and Liberals do NOT like it and do NOT consider it to be in the US's long-term interests.

That does NOT make Liberals traitors or mean that they hate America. It simply means that there are things that AMERICA DOES that they hate.

Ken
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