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Old 05-24-2008, 07:12 PM
 
Location: San Antonio North
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Sorry guys,
this isnt Kentucky or West Virginia.
And they say conservitives were the "local" thinkers.

The unfavorable rating I was quoting is NATIONAL
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Old 05-24-2008, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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The unfavorable rating I was quoting is NATIONAL
But this thread is about California. Was I unclear in the thread title?
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Old 05-24-2008, 07:24 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Looks like Obama is coming out of this primary as the polarized figure.
Of course he is. His race alone would likely do that.
The fact is, there ARE people out there who quite simply would NEVER vote for a black person as President.

Sad but true.

If Clinton were to end up being the Democratic nominee - then SHE would be the polarized figure - both because she's a Clinton (and lots of folks on the Republican side HATE the Clintons) and because she's a woman - and unfortunately there ARE people out there who quite simply would NEVER vote for a woman as President.

That's the risk the Democrats take for not being bigots (overall). They WILL alienate some voters. It's as simple as that. But the truth is, you can either give in to the bigots and make the "safe" choice - becoming (indirectly) a bigot yourself through simple act of going along with other bigots, or you can vote your conscience and simple choose the person YOU think will be the best President.

Now before anyone jumps all over me for saying that anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is bigot - I NOT saying that at all. If you TRULY believe Hillary is the better candidate then you should simply vote for Hillary. But if your real reason for voting for Hillary is because you don't think a Black man can win, then make no mistake about it - you ARE giving in to bigotry and therefor helping it along and becoming part of the problem.

Personally I think that MANY people fall into that category. They simply refuse to admit it.

In truth it's not up to me. I'm not a Democrat and make it a habit NOT to vote in the primaries because of that. I think the party members should be the ones to choose their candidate (that's just my personal opinion). So, because I've decided not to support the Republicans until they've cleaned up their act - in November I will vote for whichever candidate the Democrats choose. My preference is Obama, but I'll vote for Hillary if by some miracle she is chosen by the Democrats.

Ken

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Old 05-24-2008, 07:52 PM
 
Location: San Antonio North
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But this thread is about California. Was I unclear in the thread title?
Weren't you the one that brought up two other states in your own thread?
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Old 05-24-2008, 07:55 PM
 
Location: San Antonio North
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Of course he is. His race alone would likely do that.
The fact is, there ARE people out there who quite simply would NEVER vote for a black person as President.

Sad but true.

If Clinton were to end up being the Democratic nominee - then SHE would be the polarized figure - both because she's a Clinton (and lots of folks on the Republican side HATE the Clintons) and because she's a woman - and unfortunately there ARE people out there who quite simply would NEVER vote for a woman as President.

That's the risk the Democrats take for not being bigots (overall). They WILL alienate some voters. It's as simple as that. But the truth is, you can either give in to the bigots and make the "safe" choice - becoming (indirectly) a bigot yourself throught simple act of going along with other bigots, or you can vote your conscience and simple choose the person YOU think will be the best President.

Now before anyone jumps all over me for saying that anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is bigot - I NOT saying that at all. If you TRULY believe Hillary is the better candidate then you should simply vote for Hillary. But if your real reason for voting for Hillary is because you don't think a Black man can win, then make no mistake about it - you ARE giving in to bigotry and therefor helping it along and becoming part of the problem.

Personally I think that MANY people fall into that category. They simply refuse to admit it.

In truth it's not up to me. I'm not a Democrat and make it a habit NOT to vote in the primaries because of that. I think the party members should be the ones to choose their candidate (that's just my personal opinion). So, because I've decided not to support the Republicans until they've cleaned up their act - in November I will vote for whichever candidate the Democrats choose. My preference is Obama, but I'll vote for Hillary if by some miracle she is chosen by the Democrats.

Ken
Well partly you are right they don't care what color, sexual orientation, or class but they sure are bigoted toward dirrenet thinking.

Sadly you are right though his race alone makes him polarizing. But no more than his LIBERAL approach to politics.
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Old 05-24-2008, 08:00 PM
 
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In one exit poll, the #1 reason for not voting for him was "Not qualified, inexperienced" which got 39% of the vote. That's the reason I don't want to vote for him.

I probably would have voted for him if he had a full 6 years of Senate experience or a full term as Governor -- but he's got 4 terms in a part time state senate seat and a mere 1 year of experience in the Senate (before he started campaigning for President). I WANT TO see a longer record! I want to know that he can put up with the stresses of a full time job.

I know race as nothing to do with this since, if he were a white man (or woman) with the same record, I wouldn't vote for him.
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Old 05-24-2008, 08:07 PM
 
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One other problem with Obama: He's running on the basis of having good judgment.

So far, he's only really faced a firestorm on the issue of Reverend Wright. In my opinion, he handled that incorrectly from the very beginning and that shows me that he has very POOR judgment.

Until he faces another firestorm, we won't be able to evaluate his judgment any further. That's the only time he's had a real controversy with two apparent solutions (defend Wright or throw him off the bus).
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Old 05-24-2008, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Weren't you the one that brought up two other states in your own thread?
Please quit while your behind. LOL
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Old 05-24-2008, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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One other problem with Obama: He's running on the basis of having good judgment.
As opposed to decades of poor judgement in just about every aspect of John McCain's life. Its not even close.

Sorry,
but most Californians see beyond the image painted by hissyfitting Obama haters. The Democratic Primaries and many NATIONAL polls suggest the same thing. Otherwise, Hillary would be in the lead.

Must be incredibly frustrating.
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