Abrams just lost my vote (votes, Congress, millionaire, democrat)

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by cwkimbro

I don't blame you for taking either position on the Casino/Gambling, but if you're choosing to vote for or against a candidate on just this issues you're missing the bigger picture.

Too often those of us on the left tend to be a fickle group of voters that are not always as loyal or unified as a fundamental group. The other side is.

If we continue to keep letting rightist politicians get elected they will work hard to make taxes as cheap as possible for the rich, particularly the investing class.

Our tax system, across all taxes, is often not flat or progressive. It is collectively regressive for most. It often isn't because the wealthier workers (ie. Doctors, surgens, lawyers, etc...) aren't paying larger amounts into an income tax, it is that the investing class that is primarily earning most their wealth not through wages, but investing is able to pay less in taxes on their investment income. This is the primary reasons wealth inequality has been growing.

I think casinos could be a good thing for us, in that we have casinos bordering us on all sides and they are taking money from Georgians when we could be creating bringing those jobs and money in-state, especially when we are a huge convention hub.

Even if you don't agree, please realize that is just one small industry and a drop in the bucket compared to the bigger ticket political issues that impact tax policy and state expenditures (like expanding medicare under the ACA, which is mostly federally funded). I'll take going 1% backwards, to go forwards 20% any day.

And by all means make it a voting issue in the primaries, but during the general election issues on heathcare and tax code are huge relative to a small isolated issue for one industry.

This reminds of Bernie bros who where against voting for Hillary which significantly help Trump out, who they disagree with 10x times as much.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by columbusboy8

Casinos provide jobs, and nobody forces folks to gamble at casinos! If you want more giveaways (socialism), paid for, of course, by ever-increasing taxes on the rich AND middle-class (nobody else pays taxes), Abrams is your man! By pushing her "Voting Rights Act," she has somehow convinced African Americans that they have no voting rights---despite the fact that blacks VOTED in record numbers to elect the "greatest" president/vice-president in our country's history! Wink! Wink!

There several things wrong with this post

First off I disagree with OP that the left is against "Casinos" If anything is more of right wing that anti Casinos. As the right wing generally try to force society to what they view is moral.

but to your point..... You clearly don't the history to how African Americans were discriminate to vote. As well as what are some of specific issue that being push and why they controversial. Just cause more African Americans came out to vote, doesn't means republicans didn't make it more difficult to do so.

Historically African American always had the right the vote what had happen was during the Jim Crow era for 100 plus year the conservative party established clauses, taxes and regulation to vote that disproportionately effected African Americans. Basically it was the okey-doke. African Americans could legal vote during Jim Crows but the clauses, taxes and regulation were put there because they knew it would effect African Americans more.

What's happening now is the Conservatives party is again pushing things that statically would effect African Americans.

Conservatives are trying to 1. limit early voting, 2. limit the number of polling station as well 3. limit stuff like giving water to those who wait in line.

Conservatives voters tend too be more rural this works perfectly fine for the 4k Jasper County, but more progressive counties like 760k DeKalb county. That bit of problem. Larger population means there needs to be more areas to go out and vote, And because the lines which conflict with people work and school is reason why so many Democrats vote early. Basically it's legal to vote but there trying to make it a nightmare to do so.

[aus10]

Originally Posted by primaltech

I assume you must really hate women to your very core, to oppose their bodily autonomy over some stupid position about gambling. You'd have them be slaves, forced birth, literal forced labor.

The ballot box is a war zone, and we don't have time for minor issues right now. The Republicans are against democracy itself (if we didn't have the anti-democratic 'electoral college', they could never get elected and appoint their 6 conservative supreme court justices with life tenure), they're against the public welfare and health, and they're freaking trying to instill theocracy. Georgia already has done so. Complete unhinged nutcases like Marjorie Taylor Greene are actual elected representatives. We are living in an apocalypse situation.

To vote anything but Democratic (or to not vote), is essentially the equivalent of saying that you view women and their bodies as property, and that you desperately want nut-job right-wing religious extremism (with a side of unrestricted gun fetishism) to dominate America. Period, end of conversation. You as a sane person have one job, here. Don't screw it up.

As A woman I find this post quite silly. (Well more than silly but decorum keeps me from saying what I really think...

[SavannahLife]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

This reminds of Bernie bros who where against voting for Hillary which significantly help Trump out, who they disagree with 10x times as much.

That was a Russian/GOP campaign right? I can't see them voting Trump.

Though hey, if it gets Republicans to vote for her... cool. So you will vote for her columbus?

Nonetheless, still not a fan of the idea, don't want my taxes increased to pay for higher crime and social services needs. You know casinos will get tax breaks and local kickbacks. PS flights to Vegas are cheap.

[Soujouner]

Originally Posted by primaltech

I assume you must really hate women to your very core, to oppose their bodily autonomy over some stupid position about gambling. You'd have them be slaves, forced birth, literal forced labor.

The ballot box is a war zone, and we don't have time for minor issues right now. The Republicans are against democracy itself (if we didn't have the anti-democratic 'electoral college', they could never get elected and appoint their 6 conservative supreme court justices with life tenure), they're against the public welfare and health, and they're freaking trying to instill theocracy. Georgia already has done so. Complete unhinged nutcases like Marjorie Taylor Greene are actual elected representatives. We are living in an apocalypse situation.

To vote anything but Democratic (or to not vote), is essentially the equivalent of saying that you view women and their bodies as property, and that you desperately want nut-job right-wing religious extremism (with a side of unrestricted gun fetishism) to dominate America. Period, end of conversation. You as a sane person have one job, here. Don't screw it up.

That’s quite a screed. Reads like a script from The View.

[njkate]

I certainly would not decide whom to vote for based on an issue about gambling. Many people gamble but are not addicted to it, if they are, just like drug addicts they will find a way to feed the addiction be it on line, lottery tickets, driving/flying to a state with casinos, sports betting etc.
I'm more inclined to educate myself on exactly where the revenue from gambling would be applied. GA has far more serious issues to be concerned about, imo legalized gambling is not one of them.

[2020's YouTube Vlog]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

Meh.

There seems to be much more money in online gambling (including online sports gambling) at this point in time.

I personally don’t like gambling, including for the exploitation factor that you mentioned.

But I’m also pragmatic enough to realize that it’s going to take a lot of money to provide the increased amount of government services (including an expanded HOPE scholarship, Medicaid expansion, increased incomes for teachers and law enforcement officers, fully-funded public schools, etc.) that a more socially and politically progressive gubernatorial candidate like Stacey Abrams wants to provide.

People generally will vehemently rail against having their taxes increased for expanded government services, but many of the same people will willingly shuttle huge piles of money into gaming.

So if you’re a progressive who’s unhappy that a progressive candidate like Abrams supports legalized gaming in the state of Georgia, just think about legalized gaming as a good way to motivate voters to voluntarily pay more money in taxes.

When politicians tell voters that they want them to pay more taxes, voters will often angrily resist.

But when politicians tell those same voters that they can gamble as much as they want, many of those same voters often will happily oblige giving their hard-earned money to whoever will take it.

Just think of legalized gambling as another way to collect more tax money that many taxpayers often will more-than-willingly agree to pay.

Well said, I'm not a gambling fan but it seems to be being embraced in our times all over. I wouldn't be surprised if legalized prostitution is next (sometime in the next 15-20 years).

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by 2020's YouTube Vlog

Well said, I'm not a gambling fan but it seems to be being embraced in our times all over. I wouldn't be surprised if legalized prostitution is next (sometime in the next 15-20 years).

I don’t know if legalized prostitution ever becomes much of a thing outside of Nevada, which is the only state where it is currently legal. But with income inequality continuing to grow in a massive way, I admittedly also wouldn’t be surprised if there eventually is a movement to legalize prostitution beyond Nevada.

But even before there may be pushes to legalize other historical vices, we very likely may see a movement to legalize marijuana here in a historically deeply conservative state like Georgia over the next 20 years or so.

That’s especially as continuing massive demographic shifts push the state’s political from decidedly right-of-center more towards the political center and possibly even towards center-left.

[urbancuriosity]

I'm generally not a fan of casino gambling because of the exploitation factor. Having said that, casinos such as those in Las Vegas take in a huge amount of revenue because of conventions and out of town travelers. If casinos )and their hotels) had to pay part of their revenues towards things like, for example, supporting healthcare initiatives, it might make a good pitch. Could Georgia take in enough money to support the development of hospitals, trauma centers, and so forth (along with supporting organizations helping those with gambling addictions) to make it worthwhile?

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

I don’t know if legalized prostitution ever becomes much of a thing outside of Nevada, which is the only state where it is currently legal. But with income inequality continuing to grow in a massive way, I admittedly also wouldn’t be surprised if there eventually is a movement to legalize prostitution beyond Nevada.

But even before there may be pushes to legalize other historical vices, we very likely may see a movement to legalize marijuana here in a historically deeply conservative state like Georgia over the next 20 years or so.

That’s especially as continuing massive demographic shifts push the state’s political from decidedly right-of-center more towards the political center and possibly even towards center-left.

It might not take that long for weed. Athens just decriminalized anything under 1oz. Along with some of the urban ATL county's new stances like Gwinnett, and the fact rural Georgia doesn't care as much either as boomers and gen-x are being replaced by their millenial kids and zoomer grandkids.