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Old 05-26-2008, 01:50 PM
 
Location: 602/520
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Maybe just maybe, Blacks have had a disservice done by Sharpton and Jackson who are in the hip pocket of the Democratic party and receive their legitimacy not from having earned leadership in recent years but by being given it by the Clinton's et al. Black folk can blindly follow like sheep and say yes we will vote Democratic even if Obama is screwed out of the nomination or be like Hispanics and say earn my vote. Don't be upset Black America when both parties are kissing Hispanic rear end in November and our vote is take for granted like it is every year. If Obama was Hispanic do you think there would be any doubt?
There is no logical reason for Black America to switch allegiance to the Republican Party.

The Democratic Party has long been known as the party that has most adequately addressed the needs and concerns of the Black community. Democrats were at the forefront of the Civil Rights movement. For many blacks, that has been enough reason to support the Democratic Party is every election since. Also, Clinton's policies helped to lower the percentage of African-Americans in poverty to record levels.

While Democrats may not address every concern of the Black community, I think they have done a better job than Republicans, who ignore the concerns of pretty much everyone expect the rich.

The Democratic Party has long been able to take the Black vote for granted. It's one of the only reasons why they are successful during elections. If Blacks didn't vote for Democratic candidates, many times they would stand no chance against rival Republicans.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:52 PM
 
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Were the Kennedy's Republicans? No.

Was Dr. Abraham Heschel Republican? No.

Were the white Freedom marchers Republicans? No.

In fact, during the Freedom march in the South, both blacks and whites formed a faction of the Democratic Party in response to many southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) being against desegregation.

While there were certainly many racist Dixiecrats, the most positive, influential white Civil Rights leaders and groups were Democrats from the North.

The Dixiecrat faction quickly lost support and members in the 1970s. Most of those people switched allegiance to the Republican Party.

I think you're in need of a new history book.
They may be thinking about the integration of Central High in little Rock which was early on. Eisenhower was President and sent troops in to enforce the integration.

Little Rock Nine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Little Rock Nine was a group of African-American students who were enrolled in Little Rock Central High School in 1957. The ensuing Little Rock Crisis, in which the students were initially prevented from entering the racially segregated school by Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus, and then attended after the intervention of President Eisenhower, is considered to be one of the most important events in the African-American Civil Rights Movement.[1]
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Old 05-26-2008, 02:00 PM
 
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How can you classify the freedom riders as one party or the other? Please offer your reference citing for verification. I offer the following segment from wikipedia along with the entire description. If I am correct I believe the referenced Kennedys are from the famous political family. You can read and come to your own conclusions about party afiliation and cite any corroborating documentation for your assertion.

The Kennedys called for a "cooling off period" and condemned the Rides as unpatriotic because they embarrassed the nation on the world stage. Attorney General Robert Kennedy — the chief law enforcement officer of the land — was quoted as saying that he "Does not feel that the Department of Justice can side with one group or the other in disputes over Constitutional rights."

Freedom ride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:10 PM
 
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The Republican party has without a doubt become the preferred choice of racists. Check out what Politico.com, a site that leans to the right, has to say about it:
Time out. You use an article that points out that there are no congress people or governors who African American and this is proof that "The Republican party has without a doubt become the preferred choice of racists."

Maybe it is because every minority candidate from the conservative side is labeled "Uncle Tom". Talk about inclusiveness. Talk from one side of the mouth when it is convienent and from the other when that suits your purpose.
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:13 PM
 
Location: 602/520
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How can you classify the freedom riders as one party or the other? Please offer your reference citing for verification. I offer the following segment from wikipedia along with the entire description. If I am correct I believe the referenced Kennedys are from the famous political family. You can read and come to your own conclusions about party afiliation and cite any corroborating documentation for your assertion.

The Kennedys called for a "cooling off period" and condemned the Rides as unpatriotic because they embarrassed the nation on the world stage. Attorney General Robert Kennedy — the chief law enforcement officer of the land — was quoted as saying that he "Does not feel that the Department of Justice can side with one group or the other in disputes over Constitutional rights."

Freedom ride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Seeing as the Freedom Riders were all tied to one cause, desegregation and equal rights, one would infer that they had similar ties to the political party that fought to make that reality.

Here's a Wikipedia link to the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party that was started by Freedom Riders:

Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As you can see, several prominent student organizations, of which many of the Freedom Riders were a part of, played a role in forming the MFDP.

Next, the Kennedy's were known as major supporters of the Civil Rights movement.

Asked in an interview in May 1962, "What do you see as the big problem ahead for you, is it Crime or Internal Security?" Robert Kennedy replied, "Civil Rights." African-American Civil Rights Movement (1955–1968) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAdditionally, it was the Kennedy who squared off with George Wallace on the issue of Civil Rights, threatened corrupt, white, Southern judges of disbarment, and also integrated interstate travel.
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:26 PM
 
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Sorry Upton, that doesn't prove anything.

If Colin Powell would have run, he would most likely be our next president!

(and, BTW, he has the experience and wisdom to do the job)
Colin Powell can't make it through a gop primary.
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:30 PM
 
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Time out. You use an article that points out that there are no congress people or governors who African American and this is proof that "The Republican party has without a doubt become the preferred choice of racists."

Maybe it is because every minority candidate from the conservative side is labeled "Uncle Tom". Talk about inclusiveness. Talk from one side of the mouth when it is convienent and from the other when that suits your purpose.
I agree... as long as the end results starts with the letter "r"
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:33 PM
 
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And once again the sheep will be led to their designated pasture. Why is it that Hillary says my women will not vote for Obama as they can be independent but don't worry about the Black vote we have them in our pasture and our Collies can always lead them home.

Now Hispanics they understand how to develop and use their increased power. They have both parties catering to them.
The Rise of Hispanic Political Power
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:42 PM
 
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The thought occurs to me that institutionalized racism may be the worst form of all. By this I mean when you set up programs designed for specific minorities what is the message? That without help you are incapable of helping yourself? Or is Big brother knows best and you poor individuals are a lost cause without help?
Further damaging is the fact that such programs actually create animosity where there was none before or at least very little.
How does this apply to the topic? Well its the Dems who seem to think certain races can't succeed without the dems saving them.
Strong laws and equally strong enforcement would serve the nation better than quota systems ever will.
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:44 PM
 
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Well, folks. I am one of the possibly few on this board who was around for the 1960 and 1964 elections. That was when the southern Republicans in Georgia ousted all their black members, including MLK, Sr. In 1964, the GOP basically ceded black interests to the Democratic party, and moved their focus away from them. How else could they have a candidate who opposed the Civil Rights Act in 1964 after it passed? There were many states which had offices of "Republicans for Johnson", mostly of the black Republican stripe, like Jackie Robinson.

Then Nixon came along, in the wake of urban insurrections, and spoke of 'law and order'. Everyone knew what he meant. He chose a VP based on the fact that the guy (Agnew) talked back to black folks in the wake of MLK's assassination. In other words, he got a running mate who brooked no guff from those black folks. This particular fact is verified on the senate webpage.

The Republican party had open arms for the southerners who opposed the civil rights movement, like Strom Thurmond and, perhpas, John Connolly. Other southern Democrats in Congress did not switch to the GOP, perhaps because they would lose their seniority. So there remained a number of Democrats who had been obstructionists as to the Civil Rights Act.

But the Civil Rights movement in no way was fostered by or supported by Republicans, such as Reagan. Ol' Ronnie developed his own southern strategy, using the old bugaboo 'state's rights' in the same county where the "Mississippi Burning" killings took place. Folks got the reference.

There have been Democrats who were racists but the GOP has a history of pandering and race baiting such as talking about "big bucks on welfare' (Reagan) and the infamous Willie Horton piece. Although Gore had brought up the case first, it took the GOP and Lee Atwater to rename him 'Willie" (his name was William) and to strew his mug shot only in white areas. Look out! A black guy is coming to rape your daughters! It was a powerful message. Atwater apologized for the smears before he died.

Its a fools errand to try to figure which party is more racist. But it is historically inaccurate to claim the GOP backed civil rights for minority Americans. There is a valid historical and emotional reason why there is a dearth of black Republicans in this country.
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