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Old 05-26-2008, 09:36 PM
 
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In France we have the same type of bourgeois leftist, obsessed with socialism and racism, but not capable of living in the country next to farmers.

Feuds between French farmers and incomers force talks - Telegraph

Parisian = bourgeois leftist idealist from Paris, who views his own people as animals and foreigners as an army coming to liberate him from conservative oppression.
It does sound exactly like our ultra-leftist democratic party elite!
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:00 PM
 
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'America is run by rich white men.' That's your example of a lurid racist statement? How foolish!
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:09 PM
 
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'America is run by rich white men.' That's your example of a lurid racist statement? How foolish!
You obviously didn't listen to the whole sermon. It's not like there's just one sentence... he goes on and on...

I hate to be the one to tell you, but the sermon was very racist.
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Old 05-27-2008, 05:24 AM
 
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This thread has gone in and out of discussing the points in US history at which the D and R parties shifted and evolved to reflect their constituencies' concerns - or to direct them. To me this is fascinating. Thus I bring this book up a lot: Nixonland, which covers the same subject most perceptively.
Politicians, always reading the cultural winds, make their life's work convincing 50 percent plus one of their constituency that they understand their fears and hopes, can honor and redeem them, can make them safe and lead them toward their dreams. Studying the process by which a notably successful politician achieves that task, again and again, across changing cultural conditions, is a deep way into an understanding of those fears and dreams — and especially, how those fears and dreams change.
Great interview with the author here: 'Nixonland' Explores America in Flux : NPR

A 2001 book by the same author looks at the development of the Republican party in the Goldwater era: Before The Storm.
As chronicled in Before the Storm, the scion of a Phoenix department-store magnate took a Republican Party that was a captive of the Eastern Establishment and made it into an instrument run by and for the archconservatives of the burgeoning Sunbelt. And this grandson of a transient, Yiddish-speaking immigrant made history by reaching out to Southern segregationists. His strategy ultimately transformed the Democrats' "solid South" into a Republican bastion.
BW Online | April 9, 2001 | The Real Father of the Reagan Revolution

The BW review comments, "Although the author has written for liberal publications such as The Nation, Before the Storm maintains a balanced perspective."
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Old 05-27-2008, 05:57 AM
 
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This thread has gone in and out of discussing the points in US history at which the D and R parties shifted and evolved to reflect their constituencies' concerns - or to direct them. To me this is fascinating. Thus I bring this book up a lot: Nixonland, which covers the same subject most perceptively.
Politicians, always reading the cultural winds, make their life's work convincing 50 percent plus one of their constituency that they understand their fears and hopes, can honor and redeem them, can make them safe and lead them toward their dreams. Studying the process by which a notably successful politician achieves that task, again and again, across changing cultural conditions, is a deep way into an understanding of those fears and dreams — and especially, how those fears and dreams change.
Great interview with the author here: 'Nixonland' Explores America in Flux : NPR

A 2001 book by the same author looks at the development of the Republican party in the Goldwater era: Before The Storm.
As chronicled in Before the Storm, the scion of a Phoenix department-store magnate took a Republican Party that was a captive of the Eastern Establishment and made it into an instrument run by and for the archconservatives of the burgeoning Sunbelt. And this grandson of a transient, Yiddish-speaking immigrant made history by reaching out to Southern segregationists. His strategy ultimately transformed the Democrats' "solid South" into a Republican bastion.
BW Online | April 9, 2001 | The Real Father of the Reagan Revolution

The BW review comments, "Although the author has written for liberal publications such as The Nation, Before the Storm maintains a balanced perspective."
Welcome back your intelligence and use of are welcomed and missed when not present
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Old 05-27-2008, 06:24 AM
 
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Welcome back your intelligence and use of are welcomed and missed when not present
A bacio di morte if ever I heard one

Republicans are more "racist" but...-gluyas_benchley.jpg
^ Robert Benchley by Gluyas Williams
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Old 05-27-2008, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Hernando County, FL
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There are less than six months until the election, an election that
will decide the next President of the United States. The person elected
will be the president of all Americans, not just the Democrats or the
Republicans. To show our solidarity as Americans, let's all get together
and show each other our support for the candidate of our choice. It's
time that we all came together, Democrats and Republicans alike.

If you support the policies and character of John McCain, please drive
with your headlights on during the day.
If you support Obama or Hillary,
please drive with your headlights off at night.
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Old 05-27-2008, 05:36 PM
 
Location: exit 0
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I agree... with every word of it!

Sometimes I wonder how many others agree as well and just sit back and say nothing. I have found that that is easier than the rampant verbal lambasting. Once in a while it feels good to speak your mind.
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Old 05-27-2008, 06:09 PM
 
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I hate to be the one to tell you, but the sermon was very racist.
For instance?
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Old 05-27-2008, 06:48 PM
 
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Manigault,

I don't want to in any way offend or argue with you.

I so respect what you had to say about living through the 60's and remembering certain parts of history in another of your posts. Like you, I remember how things were back then. I grew up in the South. I remember desegregation and race riots. I've learned from experience that reverse discrimination is much stronger than discrimination is most of the time. Since then, I've studied African American History in school and spent time working in many areas where I've worked closely with African American people. In trying to work alongside, I've been hurt many times by those who I thought were friends - because of my color. I say this just to try to let you know that I'm not against you...

If you indeed listened to that sermon and don't feel that it was laced with racism.. then I won't be able to explain it to you. The fact that almost everyone in America feels the same way about it, speaks volumes... so maybe you need to think about what racism is a little more.

What I do know is that this is the way many people feel... about life... and, I know that his message is not necessarily too uncommon for some churches. If, however, that had been a reverse situation from the pulpit of a white church... what would they be called?

Churches are not meant to be used as platforms to extol anger - but churches are meant to be places to learn about forgiveness...and the love of God.

When I took African American History in college a few years ago I was sincerely appalled and disgusted at what I learned... True. I'm not black and I can never know what your life has been. But, I grew up through abuse and unfair treatment by the system. Many black folks think that simply being white you get some kind of better shake... but, it's simply not true.

Mr. Wright, and any other reverend who is keeping their flock looking back and not forward is doing their flock an injustice. None of us can progress as long as people are focused on wrongs done in our history instead of focusing on what we've accomplished and what we want from the future.

This is true no matter who you are - no matter what!

btw - for the record... I'm a republican!

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