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Old 09-14-2008, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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If Palin is uncomfortable with something as innocuous as Daddy's Roommate being in the library, then I'm not comfortable with her.

Serious question: Why don't these super Christ-y people ever try to ban anything that glorifies war and violence for a change?
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Old 09-14-2008, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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It doesn't matter whether she banned them or not. If she even suggested that she would ask a librarian to remove what she deemed offensive from a library, she shows that she doesn't understand the ethics of librarianship. She doesn't need to do something as dramatic as banning a book. She crossed the line when she asked that librarian if she would remove a book if the Palin asked her to. She had no business there.
The last time I checked, Libraries were funded by the taxpayers. As a library is one of the most local of taxpayer supported institutions, the local taxpayers have a right as to what types of books are available to the community at large.

I am sure each community has its own ethics and protocol for establishing what is proper for that community and what is not. A librarian needs to work within that framework and not be given free reign to do whatever he/she wants.

If I want to voice my opinion on the appropriateness of what my children can come in contact with in my local library, I as a taxpayer have every right to do so. So should anybody else in this country, no matter what their political or religious viewpoint or if they are under the microscope because they are running for office.
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Old 09-14-2008, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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"She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term."

FactCheck.org: Sliming Palin

Nice quote-mining, there. Palin asked on multiple occasions about how to ban books. Either she's dumber than a spawning sockeye or she really doesn't understand the fundamental principles that our country was founded upon. Which is it?

And why is her career filled with coincidences? The librarian was fired for a nebulous cause, then reinstated because of public outcry, all just after the questions were asked. But no, it had nothing to do with banning books! Right.
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Old 09-14-2008, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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If I want to voice my opinion on the appropriateness of what my children can come in contact with in my local library, I as a taxpayer have every right to do so.
And we have the right to laugh at your authoritarian idiocy.
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Old 09-14-2008, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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Seriously, you folks just don't get it.

What if Obama had "just asked a question" of the police chief about what the process might be for banning all guns from Illinois? Would you guys let him off the hook?

Would you be defending him: "he just asked the question - no big deal!"

Hypocrites.
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Old 09-14-2008, 08:32 PM
 
Location: S.Florida
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None of that garbage should be in a library.

I prefer a library with well stocked with only "Looking for Waldo" books .
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Old 09-14-2008, 08:36 PM
 
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The last time I checked, Libraries were funded by the taxpayers. As a library is one of the most local of taxpayer supported institutions, the local taxpayers have a right as to what types of books are available to the community at large.

I am sure each community has its own ethics and protocol for establishing what is proper for that community and what is not. A librarian needs to work within that framework and not be given free reign to do whatever he/she wants.

If I want to voice my opinion on the appropriateness of what my children can come in contact with in my local library, I as a taxpayer have every right to do so. So should anybody else in this country, no matter what their political or religious viewpoint or if they are under the microscope because they are running for office.
All of that is standardized in the United States. Individual communities are not supposed to make the decision to deny users information (not that it doesn't happen, but it is a violation). You have that kind of control over your personal library, not the public library. And GLBTQ people and their allies pay taxes also. There's no reason to deny others access to information because you don't like it.

ALA | Code of Ethics (broken link)

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Old 09-14-2008, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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I agree....neither "Daddy's Boyfriend" nor "Daddy's Girlfriend" is appropriate for an elementary school library. Was this elementary, middle, or high school?
Not a school library, a public library.

The new mayor also tended carefully to her evangelical base. She appointed a pastor to the town planning board. And she began to eye the library. For years, social conservatives had pressed the library director to remove books they considered immoral.

“People would bring books back censored,” recalled former Mayor John Stein, Ms. Palin’s predecessor. “Pages would get marked up or torn out.”

....But in 1995, Ms. Palin, then a city councilwoman, told colleagues that she had noticed the book “Daddy’s Roommate” on the shelves and that it did not belong there, according to Ms. Chase and Mr. Stein. Ms. Chase read the book, which helps children understand homosexuality, and said it was inoffensive; she suggested that Ms. Palin read it.

“Sarah said she didn’t need to read that stuff,” Ms. Chase said. “It was disturbing that someone would be willing to remove a book from the library and she didn’t even read it.
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Old 09-14-2008, 08:39 PM
 
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Seriously, you folks just don't get it.

What if Obama had "just asked a question" of the police chief about what the process might be for banning all guns from Illinois? Would you guys let him off the hook?

Would you be defending him: "he just asked the question - no big deal!"

Hypocrites.
Obama has said some things in the past that I really don't appreciate, either. I haven't forgotten all of them. But there is still a difference (I don't mean between Palin and Obama but in general)--if you ask a question with an obvious agenda, not just some innocuous question, you'll be criticized for it by someone for sure. Now, if Obama actually did ask what the process would be for banning all guns from Illinois, I'd say that shows a clear agenda, also, and one that would make a lot of people angry!

There's really no reason to make a blanket statement and call everyone who disagrees with you a hypocrite when there's no way you could know what all they believe.
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Old 09-14-2008, 08:47 PM
 
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None of that garbage should be in a library.
Books shouldn't be in libraries?
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