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Old 10-07-2008, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Florida (SW)
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The McCain/Palin campaign has decided that the only way they can possibly win the election is to marginalize and demonize Senator Obama. Like he used predict, you will hear he has a "funny name" is "dangerous" and is "not like you!"

Marginalzing an opponent and pointing out ways they are "dangerous" and "not like you" are classic methods to incite and justify violence. The engendered hatred is a distraction to the real issues and in the heat of the moment can make you forget that you can't pay to fill your tank or may lose your house.

Yesterday I saw two new clips in which Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin were inciting their crowds by smearing Sen. Obama. Sen.McCain acted like a cheerleader with a call and answer chant to the audiance.....when he callled...."Who Is Obama?" one of his goons called "A Terrorist". McCain heard it and stopped for a moment.....then smiled and went on with his irresponsible rant. He didnt stop and chastize or correct it....he built on it! At a different rally Gov. Palin was engaging in the dehumanizing smear practice of painting Sen Obama as a domestic terrorist, until she illicited the cry from the crowd...."KILL HIM"..... this didnt phase her.... sowing the Grapes of Wrath was what she was about.

I am concerned that the "town hall forum" for tonights debate is unwise and dangerous. Assassination is too much a part of American politics and both Palin and McCain are playing on that type of passion. Lynch mob psychology is being used as a campaign stratagy. Tonight the principals should answer questions from a secure remote location...John McCain has made his favorite format unwise. He is too erratic and too desperate.

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Old 10-07-2008, 06:34 AM
 
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Scares me too Elston. I was just wondering what kind of damage this kind of campaigning can do to the candidate being smeared this way. If Obama wins will these frenzied M/P supporters resort to violence? Where does one go with all that fear and hate?
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Old 10-07-2008, 06:37 AM
 
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When you pal around with people of questionable ethics and motives, and walk in paths that people of good character wouldn't willingly follow, you're bound to have some of that rub off on you, either for real, or just the way people perceive you. It's reasonable and expected that people would question Obama's motives and judgement, considering where he's been and what he's done, and with whom.

What's wrong with pointing out the truth about a candidate? The only people who would object to that are those who would rather not have the truth come out because it looks bad. Well, I think it more than "looks" bad. Some of this IS bad for Obama. He can't sweep it under the rug and he can't erase the slate. Pointing out his past is not hateful. It's telling it like it is. And it's about time someone did it, or Obama could deceive and manipulate his way into the highest office of the land.

If you're going to vote for him, at least acknowledge what you're voting for. If the things being said about him are not true, then address those and correct them, but don't try to shift the attention away from them by attacking the other party with editorials.
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Old 10-07-2008, 06:40 AM
 
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When you pal around with people of questionable ethics and motives, and walk in paths that people of good character wouldn't willingly follow, you're bound to have some of that rub off on you, either for real, or just the way people perceive you. It's reasonable and expected that people would question Obama's motives and judgement, considering where he's been and what he's done, and with whom.

What's wrong with pointing out the truth about a candidate? The only people who would object to that are those who would rather not have the truth come out because it looks bad. Well, I think it more than "looks" bad. Some of this IS bad for Obama. He can't sweep it under the rug and he can't erase the slate. Pointing out his past is not hateful. It's telling it like it is. And it's about time someone did it, or Obama could deceive and manipulate his way into the highest office of the land.

If we're going to vote for him, let's know what we're voting for.
Well said.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to southward bound again..BLAH
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Old 10-07-2008, 06:49 AM
 
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When you pal around with people of questionable ethics and motives, and walk in paths that people of good character wouldn't willingly follow, you're bound to have some of that rub off on you, either for real, or just the way people perceive you. It's reasonable and expected that people would question Obama's motives and judgement, considering where he's been and what he's done, and with whom.

What's wrong with pointing out the truth about a candidate? The only people who would object to that are those who would rather not have the truth come out because it looks bad. Well, I think it more than "looks" bad. Some of this IS bad for Obama. He can't sweep it under the rug and he can't erase the slate. Pointing out his past is not hateful. It's telling it like it is. And it's about time someone did it, or Obama could deceive and manipulate his way into the highest office of the land.

If we're going to vote for him, let's know what we're voting for.
It would be very possible to get up before a crowd and rant about McCain's indescretions and associations that include womanizing, saving and loan scandals, private jets to remote tropical get aways, associations with lobbiests , and his serving on the board of anti semetic world hate organizations and paling around with preachers who teach god's judgement against the jews! It would be even easier to use Palins associations with witch hunters and anti American sucessionists and her assault on public libraries and on and on and on.

It would be easy......BUT it wouldnt address the issues that Americans need to have addressed. It is easy for McCain and Palin to use hate....its all they have left. McCain can't run a campaign let alone the country.
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Old 10-07-2008, 07:22 AM
 
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John McCain and Barack Obama are going to have their second Debate tonight and it will be broadcast live on TV. Based on news reports, various polls reportedly show Obama has a slight lead with less than 30 days to go before the November 4th election. There is no doubt that John McCain must score big tonight if he stands a chance of winning the election.

Many Americans are looking for answers to economic problems. With the stock markets tumbling and the financial markets in a near state of collapse, it will be very difficult for McCain to persuade very many undecided voters that he is the man who can change things for the better anytime soon.

These are scary times indeed and much of the American public is deeply fearful about what has been happening, especially to their sense of wealth and security. Many have seen their home values drop significantly as well as their retirement savings invested in stocks. Every growth investment they thought they had has become seriously eroded--everything has been on a steep downward slide.

Who wants to buy a home today for let's say $200,000 when that home could drop down to $150,000 or less in value in 6 months? Not many.

Who wants to buy stocks today when they can become near worthless in the near future? No one.

Everything that was once considered to be a sound growth investment now appears to be senseless.


I suspect that about the only way McCain can win the election is to come forth with proof that Obama is an active part of an Al Qaeda sleeper cell ready to launch an attack on a U.S. city.
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Old 10-07-2008, 07:26 AM
 
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The McCain/Palin campaign has decided that the only way they can possibly win the election is to marginalize and demonize Senator Obama. Like he used predict, you will hear he has a "funny name" is "dangerous" and is "not like you!"

Marginalzing an opponent and pointing out ways they are "dangerous" and "not like you" are classic methods to incite and justify violence. The engendered hatred is a distraction to the real issues and in the heat of the moment can make you forget that you can't pay to fill your tank or may lose your house.

Yesterday I saw two new clips in which Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin were inciting their crowds by smearing Sen. Obama. Sen.McCain acted like a cheerleader with a call and answer chant to the audiance.....when he callled...."Who Is Obama?" one of his goons called "A Terrorist". McCain heard it and stopped for a moment.....then smiled and went on with his irresponsible rant. He didnt stop and chastize or correct it....he built on it! At a different rally Gov. Palin was engaging in the dehumanizing smear practice of painting Sen Obama as a domestic terrorist, until she illicited the cry from the crowd...."KILL HIM"..... this didnt phase her.... sowing the Grapes of Wrath was what she was about.

I am concerned that the "town hall forum" for tonights debate is unwise and dangerous. Assassination is too much a part of American politics and both Palin and McCain are playing on that type of passion. Lynch mob psychology is being used as a campaign stratagy. Tonight the principals should answer questions from a secure remote location...John McCain has made his favorite format unwise. He is too erratic and too desperate.
The American people are intelligent enough to know this. Trust me, this will backfire on them and will guarantee a loss to a campaign that is already losing.
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Old 10-07-2008, 07:42 AM
 
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It would be very possible to get up before a crowd and rant about McCain's indescretions and associations that include womanizing, saving and loan scandals, private jets to remote tropical get aways, associations with lobbiests , and his serving on the board of anti semetic world hate organizations and paling around with preachers who teach god's judgement against the jews! It would be even easier to use Palins associations with witch hunters and anti American sucessionists and her assault on public libraries and on and on and on.

It would be easy......BUT it wouldnt address the issues that Americans need to have addressed. It is easy for McCain and Palin to use hate....its all they have left. McCain can't run a campaign let alone the country.
Ah, but here I think you are wrong. In regards to palins religion -- to question that is not smear, but logical. That must be questioned, and questioned hard. The fact that obama is not bringing this up has less to do with his desire to take the high road, and more with his fear to alienate the fundies and/or religous christians out there. And that is a shame, because I honestly see palins religious beliefs to be much too dangerous to be let near the red button.
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Old 10-07-2008, 07:58 AM
 
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When you pal around with people of questionable ethics and motives, and walk in paths that people of good character wouldn't willingly follow, you're bound to have some of that rub off on you, either for real, or just the way people perceive you. It's reasonable and expected that people would question Obama's motives and judgement, considering where he's been and what he's done, and with whom.

What's wrong with pointing out the truth about a candidate? The only people who would object to that are those who would rather not have the truth come out because it looks bad. Well, I think it more than "looks" bad. Some of this IS bad for Obama. He can't sweep it under the rug and he can't erase the slate. Pointing out his past is not hateful. It's telling it like it is. And it's about time someone did it, or Obama could deceive and manipulate his way into the highest office of the land.

If you're going to vote for him, at least acknowledge what you're voting for. If the things being said about him are not true, then address those and correct them, but don't try to shift the attention away from them by attacking the other party with editorials.
Well you would think with all of these "bad influences" in his life that he would inadvertently blather out some hate-filled anti-American screed at some point in his life, but he hasn't. Not in his books, not in his speeches, not in his interviews. He either doesn't subscribe to the same radicalism, or he is EXTREMELY stealthy and is pulling a Trojan Horse on us. I'll pick the former rather than the latter.

Most politicians have associated with some bad people at some point or another, because you can't possibly vet every single person that you work with or serve on boards with. It's just not possible. And you can't possibly know every belief and every stance that every one of your associates holds (or agree with them all). Especially in the early years of your career when it's all about building bridges and alliances, and looking for support for your initiatives. If someone is highly respected by local leaders, you tend to take those as good referrals. Hindsight is always easier after the fact. And most people don't pad their career for a possible run for the Presidency some day.

Personally, I'm willing to give him (Obama) the benefit of the doubt because I haven't seen or heard ANYTHING out of his mouth to give me the impression that he is a radical, or that violent revolution is the answer to our problems.

The problem is is that this is all a distraction tactic. McCain is running on a platform of "values", ie "Our candidate's values align with your values, America". Which is fine to run when the economy is doing well. It's almost like they pulled out the wrong playbook, like from the 1996 or 2000 election. It's falling flat in a time of uncertainty.
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Old 10-07-2008, 08:03 AM
 
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I am not worried about Obama's security.

I am worried about the haters once he becomes President. I've always wondered why the Democrats didn't attack more. This is the first time that I've realized why they don't. They don't because of respect for the office. If someone becomes President and a collection of the citizenry rabidly hate that person, it makes governing that much more difficult. It's actually disrespectful to spew such vitriol.
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