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Old 10-22-2008, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Dorchester
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Isn't it repubs who scream about people who say they'll leave if a certain person is elected? Isn't it repubs who say "America, Love It or Leave It"?


So the Palins VERY obviously don't love America because they want their whole state to leave it.
And the Obamas must hate whitey and the jews because they attended Rev. Wrights radically racist sermons for 20 years.
Or they must be anarchists who want to see America brought to it's knees because they launched his campaign from the domestic terrorist William Ayre's living room.

N'est-ce pas?

Are you going to act like the national news media and just avoid these inconvenient truths
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:44 AM
 
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Promoting secession from AMERICA is anti-AMERICAN.
Isn't this just name calling? Echoes of Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin and Joe McCarthy?

What happened to free speech, free ideas, and the ideals of Thomas Jefferson?



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Old 10-22-2008, 11:47 AM
 
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I doubt you are going to find anyone in Texas who thinks this way!
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:44 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Where does it say that?
10th Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

As secession is not prohibited it's allowed.
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:50 PM
 
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As secession is not prohibited it's allowed.
Agreed.

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Originally Posted by about secession, Thomas Jefferson

In his 1801 First Inaugural Address one of the first things Thomas Jefferson did was to support the right of secession. "If there be any among us who wish to dissolve the Union or to change its republican form," the author of the Declaration of Independence said, "let them stand undisturbed, as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it."

In an August 12, 1803 letter to John C. Breckinridge Jefferson addressed the same issue, in light of the New England Federalists’ secession movement in response to his Louisiana Purchase. If there were a "separation" into two confederacies, he wrote, "God bless them both, & keep them in the union if it be for their good, but separate them, if it be better."
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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From the Declaration of Independence:

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:58 PM
 
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Alaska won't secede; the time isn't right for that.

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Alaska might secede, but the federally-owned lands that the taxpayers paid for 150 years ago won't. Alaska has some oil, but I think most of it is on federal land. Alaska can take the part of the state that was granted to them when they were admitted to the Union, but they can't take the part that the American people own.
This is an example of what your beloved federal government did to "their" lands in Alaska. You're welcome to it now. This is the Alaska that you don't see on all those nice Discovery programs.


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Old 10-22-2008, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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We are not arguing whether it's constitutional. Just whether it's anti-American.
If it is Constitutional - and they follow the Constitution, then, IMO, it is not anti-American
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Saratodd's husband belonged to a group that wanted Alaska to secede from the union. Is THAT what Bachmann and Sara think of as anti- and un-American?
I do.



Seems the Palins are getting a big pass on this......
Lincoln sure thought so...
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:14 PM
 
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Rogue state? The constitution says states can secede. Course we saw how well the Government follows the Constitution.
I believe the last person to suffer under that delusion was Jefferson Davis.

Now if you don't mind, please take out your copy of the US Constitution and please point to that Article which points to the right of secession.
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