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It's been tried dozens of times but the very same people who say they are done with this thread keep on returning.....including you and I.
O no, Ill still read it. But I won't debate them. And this is all I’m asking. Stop debating them because by debating them you are giving legitimacy to their claims and making them sound important and worth debating
There is a simple way to confirm some of this - and it does not involve me at all!
On Monday, you should call Columbia University and Harvard Law School.
Talk to their admissions offices. Ask them how long they keep a copy of students' applications for admissions.
Failing that, go to the two colleges' websites, get the archive/library contact information and call or send them an email and ask them the same question. Not for the records themselves, but for the general practice.
While you are at it, ask about how one might access the records of a person to whom you are not related - and see if it is different for Obama than for any other student they have had in the last 30 years.
Or, if you prefer, talk to Yale and see if you can get George W. Bush's application or to Harvard Business School.
Do the same with the Illinois Bar Association application - I have no idea if they keep those or not. Certainly the volume is far less than for the colleges. (Don't forget to call Arkansas for Bill Clinton's Bar Association application, too, to see if the result is the same for both men.)
Sanrene, you claim to be only interested in the truth.
The truth is a) these records are not publicly available, b) have not been "sealed" or "locked down" or anything like it, and c) you can confirm this yourself rather than relying on any other posters or news sources.
Please - do the research yourself and report back to us what you find.
I would offer to do it, but you would not trust me. I will trust you to report back honestly what you are told (as I would not trust Kooter). OTOH, if you choose not to do this but persist in echoing Kooter's lies, then we will know that you are not, in fact, interested in truth.
Worse yet, by far - If you do not do this, you will know that you are not interested in the truth.
I have already posted here the link to the University of Pittsburg and their record keeping policy. No one is going to have application records for a number of reasons including privacy and record storage space and the staff needed to maintain and most importantly federal law.
But if we keep posting we are bumping the thread to the top of the page, if we stop posting sanrene/kooter will be arguing with himself!
The advantage is it expsoses them at their fringe worse and limits their credibility in other threads. This has been happening for months and it is working.
"Late" means simply a birth certificate issued by Hawaii that was not issued shortly after birth, e.g. born at home, etc. Thousands of people without Hawaiian birth certificates applied and received them. If you were really born in Kenya, but wanted to show you were born in the U.S. all that was required was an affidavit from a parent or grandparent that the birth took place in Hawaii...and BINGO - a Hawaii birth certificate!
WRONG....."The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person BORN in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era."
"Late" means simply a birth certificate issued by Hawaii that was not issued shortly after birth, e.g. born at home, etc.
1) Got proof? I'm looking for an example in the other direction.
2) Granting for the sake of the discussion that the two forms are the same, they would still have one key difference that you are ignoring - the date of registration. In the most commonly shown COLB from Hawaii other than Obama's - DeCosta's - there are 13 days between birth and filing with the Registrar. Obama's is 4 days.
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