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Old 10-28-2008, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Give it up people. You can't compare this desparate attempt to find more dirt on Palin to socialism. Why don't you just admit your candidate is a socialist? Is that so bad? No, you can't ... now we have to say everyone is a socialist. If you're going to support your candidate's ideology, you might as well admit it first.

They are drilling on Alaskan land, and Palin rightly believes the citizens should share in that. That is not socialism... She is not instituting an across the board tax on already taxed small businesses, she is not thwarting the incentive to create new jobs, quite the opposite. Her state is doing well.
Obama is not my candidate. Palin is still a socialist, a corrupt one at that.
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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It's an incentive to live there. You don't see the circle there? The money turns right back around and gets fed back into the oil companies. In fact it basically just allows them fuel to stay warm with since it's being drilled for in their state. It's hard to say anyone there is making money on it. The terrain itself is no very friendly to trade. Imagine what it cost in fuel for trucks to bring food and supplies there.

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Hold on a second. Why does the gubmint need to provide an incentive to live in the icy tundra? Dividends are for investors, not for taxpayers. But you call Alaskans' welfare check whatever you'd like.
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:43 PM
 
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Give it up people. You can't compare this desparate attempt to find more dirt on Palin to socialism. Why don't you just admit your candidate is a socialist? Is that so bad? No, you can't ... now we have to say everyone is a socialist. If you're going to support your candidate's ideology, you might as well admit it first.

They are drilling on Alaskan land, and Palin rightly believes the citizens should share in that. That is not socialism... She is not instituting an across the board tax on already taxed small businesses, she is not thwarting the incentive to create new jobs, quite the opposite. Her state is doing well.
"Desperate attempt"? The drilling in Alaska is done by private companies. Why should the private companies have to be taxed more in order to "share the wealth" with Alaskans? Give it up yourself. Your hypocrisy stinks from here to high heaven.
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:44 PM
 
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As long as debt doesn't increase. A check back to everyone equally is either
A. Free fuel
B. lower effective tax rate
C. Spending spree.

That is exactly what I want. The less money the government has the slower it grows......as long as it doesn't go into debt to provide that low tax break. I just have a feeling that all the "ideas" from Obama will push this economy way further than any other candidate besides the "New Deal" and it's not really all that far off. Not just the redistribution but the ideas of things like the fairness act and encouraging unions. It's the living wage ACORN pushes for. In unions the pay is even and equally given by amount of time at the place...for the most part. (I know it's more complicated) What this does is increase wages in larger volumes than non union areas. Sounds good but the increased cost to do business will just get passed down the line to the consumer which happens to be the people in the neighborhood whos wages you are raising effectively doing nothing except increasing the cost of goods to the consumer. Seems counter productive to me. Along with all the other "good ideas" the dems have...when cherry picked for their favorites we will adapt every aspect of socialism because they will use class warfare.
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:46 PM
 
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Hold on a second. Why does the gubmint need to provide an incentive to live in the icy tundra? Dividends are for investors, not for taxpayers. But you call Alaskans' welfare check whatever you'd like.
And a vast majority of the people there work for oil companies. They have families and form communities and that creates jobs. They are worker bees sent to extract the oil.
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:47 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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So now removing taxes and giving money out equally no matter what your income is now socialism? That's some radical projecting.
She removed an 8 cent/g gas tax, but put a windfall profits tax on private industry. Isn't socialism nationalizing profits?
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:48 PM
 
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It's interesting to watch though. I really thought the polls would be worse for the Republicans than they are given the past 7.5 years. I can't believe there are so many people who are willing to lie to themselves about where the party has gone.
Since I was tossed under the bus by my former party some time ago, I have come to the conclusion that the only way to return to traditional conservatism is for the party to completely and utterly implode.

What is left will go to their respective corners and start to rebuild from scratch on a more sensible and rational platform. While I don't ever expect to see another Ron Paul type in my life time, it would be nice to even get back to half of where he wanted to go.

The rest can sail on the good ship crack pot
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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And a vast majority of the people there work for oil companies. They have families and form communities and that creates jobs. They are worker bees sent to extract the oil.
Well, then perhaps oil companies should pay their employees enough so the gubmint doesn't need to cut them a welfare check. If they don't pay enough, they don't get their worker bees.
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:49 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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I don't get it. There are already many socialist programs in our country. So why is the "S" word suddenly so frightening? Alaska is a good example of this, since it's a Welfare State. Yet McCain & Palin are trying to convince voters that Obama will turn our country into a giant..what..Alaska? This just isn't true. He is simply saying that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and giant corporations need to stop and the $10 billion a month being spent on Iraq needs to be invested in the United States.

Anyway, although I do not believe in handouts, I do believe in sharing. But sharing doesn't have to mean giving your hard earned money to those who sit back on their behinds. It means rewarding those who have helped you to achieve your goals by giving back to your community.
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:53 PM
 
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I don't get it. There are already many socialist programs in our country. So why is the "S" word suddenly so frightening? Alaska is a good example of this, since it's a Welfare State. Yet McCain & Palin are trying to convince voters that Obama will turn our country into a giant..what..Alaska? This just isn't true. He is simply saying that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and giant corporations need to stop, the $10 billion a month being spent on Iraq while they have a surplus needs to be invested in the United States.
It doesn't matter what's true or what isn't true. McCain and Palin have no honor. They will say whatever is necessary--to the point of character assassination and the detriment of their country--in order to gain power. The truth has nothing to do with it.
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