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You missed my point. Personally, I don't have a problem with that. My point is that if the McCain/Palin nuts are going to call Obama "socialist" for wanting to "spread the wealth," then they need to be prepared to explain why they are supporting Palin, when she herself has wanted to "share the wealth" of private companies with Alaska citizens. That's the point of the thread itself.
It's only about the 50th thread on the subject, and they always turn into bashing of the people of Alaska as evidenced by some of the comments in this thread.
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Private citizens are not entitled to handouts by the gubmint. It's a welfare check, no matter how you'd like to slice it.
Come back when you manage to educate yourself on the history of the Permanent Fund.
It ain't welfare, bud. It's a form of Socialism. And it works great for us. Eat your heart out; it was over $3 K per person this year.
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The military is a government function. An overextended one helping to bankrupt America, but that's beside the point.
It's hardly beside the point. When people are referring to Alaska as a "Welfare State', they need to realize just how much presence the United States military has in the state.
Alaska is a little different. To give you a little history of Alaska, the state is a state of natives, now native Americans, who have always sort of needed help from the federal government. We were putting in the pipeline and Alaska needed to be a little more "organized" to help the natives. Alaska Native Corporations were established and Alaska was divided into I recall about 12 corporations. The natives were not necessarily skilled in running the corporations and their leaders were trying to help them. Former senator Gravel assisted (some don't see it as "assistance" though) by helping them sell their timber and other resources at a loss, so to speak, and then major American corporations would buy their net operating losses, so the situation was win-win. The native corporations got much needed money and our American corporations were helped. These natives will need a special hand, the true natives tend to be innocent people who need special attention. I hope their politicians are taking care of them. Alaska is a lot more "Americanized" than it was in the early 70's. The Alaskan natives transcend American politics.
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Originally Posted by ViewFromThePeak
The Peoples' wealth...how rich is that Stalinist talk?
Too f'n bad if it's cold and not hospitable. Move away if they can't afford it on private funds. No one put a gun to their head and ordered them to live in Alaska.
It's only about the 50th thread on the subject, and they always turn into bashing of the people of Alaska as evidenced by some of the comments in this thread.
Come back when you manage to educate yourself on the history of the Permanent Fund.
It ain't welfare, bud. It's a form of Socialism. And it works great for us. Eat your heart out; it was over $3 K per person this year.
It's hardly beside the point. When people are referring to Alaska as a "Welfare State', they need to realize just how much presence the United States military has in the state.
I know. Just ignore the "bashing" part.
I don't have a problem with Alaska's people sharing in the wealth (although I have a very big problem with the source of that wealth). It seems to me, though, that some of that money would be much better spent on building and staffing good schools and coming up with green industries to employ people. Of course, one could say that about just about any state in the Union. Under Obama, it just might start happening. No more jobs-until-the-oil-runs-out. Instead--with green technology--we could have well-paying jobs for folks for a very, very, very long time. Of course, in order for that to happen, the American people--Alaskans, as well as others--will have to pull their collective head out of their collective a$$ and move into the 21st century. . . .
I don't get it. There are already many socialist programs in our country. So why is the "S" word suddenly so frightening? Alaska is a good example of this, since it's a Welfare State. Yet McCain & Palin are trying to convince voters that Obama will turn our country into a giant..what..Alaska? This just isn't true. He is simply saying that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and giant corporations need to stop and the $10 billion a month being spent on Iraq needs to be invested in the United States.
Anyway, although I do not believe in handouts, I do believe in sharing. But sharing doesn't have to mean giving your hard earned money to those who sit back on their behinds. It means rewarding those who have helped you to achieve your goals by giving back to your community.
We already "share" and some of us more than others. We do too much "sharing" as it is. What about those that can get off their lazy behinds and go to work. What happened to people striving to achieve for themselves. Who told you that the playing field was to be equalized by the government. That never works, because the people that sit back and take never get over that state of being.
To give you a little history of Alaska, the state is a state of natives, now native Americans, who have always sort of needed help from the federal government.
Not quite. They did fine for centuries before the federal government came along. But yes, it's a bit more complex than most of the posters here realize, and thanks for understanding that.
I wasn't passing judgment on the people of Alaska. I was pointing out that Palin is a hypocrite.
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We already "share" and some of us more than others. We do too much "sharing" as it is.
I agree, but did you read my comment? You have no idea how much I resent undeserving people who get handouts from our tax dollars. However, that isn't what I was talking about. I do worry about some of Obama's more liberal programs, but I feel he is the better candidate to lead our country.
Amen to that. It is amazing how things change when the government gets involved. Sometimes I think we need Alaska more than Alaska needs us.
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Not quite. They did fine for centuries before the federal government came along. But yes, it's a bit more complex than most of the posters here realize, and thanks for understanding that.
Alaska is a little different. To give you a little history of Alaska, the state is a state of natives, now native Americans, who have always sort of needed help from the federal government. We were putting in the pipeline and Alaska needed to be a little more "organized" to help the natives. Alaska Native Corporations were established and Alaska was divided into I recall about 12 corporations. The natives were not necessarily skilled in running the corporations and their leaders were trying to help them. Former senator Gravel assisted (some don't see it as "assistance" though) by helping them sell their timber and other resources at a loss, so to speak, and then major American corporations would buy their net operating losses, so the situation was win-win. The native corporations got much needed money and our American corporations were helped. These natives will need a special hand, the true natives tend to be innocent people who need special attention. I hope their politicians are taking care of them. Alaska is a lot more "Americanized" than it was in the early 70's. The Alaskan natives transcend American politics.
Lemme bust out my violin for this one...
Squeamish apologist garbage.
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