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Old 11-14-2008, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:17 AM
 
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Haha ... that's pretty good.
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Cute, but misleading (like statements from the Bush White House).

2008
Obama 52.63% (Electoral College: 67.8%)
McCain 46.02% (30.1%)
2004
Bush 50.73 (53.2)
Kerry 48.27 (46.7)
2000
Bush 47.87 (50.4)
Gore 48.38 (49.4)
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:50 AM
 
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Cute, but misleading
Not in terms of the popular vote. But the thrust of the cartoon is not the truth (or lack thereof) of whether or not Bush divided and united the country. The thrust is the media's protrayal.

Bush won about 51% of the popular vote four years ago, and the media's focus was about how divided we are as a nation.

Obama won about 52% of the popular vote earlier this month, but the media's focus is about how Obama has united the country.



Don't get me wrong. I'm certainly no fan of Bush. His Presidency has been a colossal train wreck for our nation. But I have to say I find the whole cult of personality around Obama more than a little disturbing.
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:53 AM
 
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Obama won by 6.61%. Bush won by 2.46%. It's a pretty big difference.
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:55 AM
 
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Obama won by 6.61%. Bush won by 2.46%. It's a pretty big difference.
It's a difference of 4%.

A difference? Yes. The difference between "DIVIDED!" and "UNITED!" ??? Not according to my dictionary.
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:59 AM
 
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It's a difference of 4%.

A difference? Yes. The difference between "DIVIDED!" and "UNITED!" ??? Not according to my dictionary.
It will take them awhile, or maybe longer, to get it.
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Old 11-14-2008, 09:00 AM
 
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Well 52.63% of us are united ,and 46.02% of us are also united. That totals to 98.65% united in aggregate. What's the beef?
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Old 11-14-2008, 10:10 AM
 
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It's a difference of 4%.
So, you're agreeing that the cartoon saying 1% is misleading, right?

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A difference? Yes. The difference between "DIVIDED!" and "UNITED!" ??? Not according to my dictionary.
Again, that's the cartoon. The reality is that we are more united now than after the 2004 election, and certainly more united than after the 2000 election. Are we UNITED? No. I don't think we've been UNITED in my lifetime, other than the brief period of time immediately after 9/11, and that sure didn't last long.

Cartoons are a cute type of media, but often cartoons start with a kernel of truth and exaggerate it. Has the media gone overboard with Obama and the concept of the country being united? Yes, probably so. But when hasn't the media gone overboard?

However, the math used the cartoon is dead wrong. It's showing only the popular vote for Obama and Bush (and doing so incorrectly - if they're gonna round up Bush's number (50.73), Obama's number (52.63) should also be rounded up, and the difference is 2%, not 1%) without putting those numbers in context; i.e., without showing the the popular vote for the other candidate.

Cute, but misleading.
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Old 11-14-2008, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Maine
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So, you're agreeing that the cartoon saying 1% is misleading, right?
If you want to strain a gnat to swallow a camel, then yes. You're obsessing over a detail to miss completely the larger point.


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However, the math used the cartoon is dead wrong. It's showing only the popular vote for Obama and Bush (and doing so incorrectly - if they're gonna round up Bush's number (50.73), Obama's number (52.63) should also be rounded up, and the difference is 2%, not 1%) without putting those numbers in context; i.e., without showing the the popular vote for the other candidate.

Cute, but misleading.
You're right! It was off 1%! That makes all the difference!

Again, you're analyzing one tree and completely missing the forest. The point of the cartoon is not the election statistics.
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