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Old 11-19-2008, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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1995 to 2000. It's in the history books.

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Old 11-19-2008, 06:16 PM
 
Location: The Coldest Place
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We are the one nation on the planet that can do what we please.


It's thoughts like this that led us to where we are now.
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:36 PM
 
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The way I see it, the GOP strategy will probably vary based on Obama's approval ratings toward the end of his first term. If he holds a high approval rating over 50%, Republicans are going to have to go for the "hail mary" and run someone unconventional.


Thoughts?

Well if that is the GOP strategy then they will lose. The GOP can't base its strategy on what Obama does, the GOP needs to offer its own solutions, its own ideas and its own candidates based on a different political philosophy. Otherwise they are just being reactionary and if you are reacting you are not leading. Lack of leading is what got the GOP in this mess in the first place.
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Old 11-20-2008, 04:28 PM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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Well if that is the GOP strategy then they will lose. The GOP can't base its strategy on what Obama does, the GOP needs to offer its own solutions, its own ideas and its own candidates based on a different political philosophy. Otherwise they are just being reactionary and if you are reacting you are not leading. Lack of leading is what got the GOP in this mess in the first place.
I agree - but they are in a real quandry...

They can't run as the party of fiscal responsibility - because they spent like drunken sailors and more than doubled the national debt in 8 years...

They can't run on family values - they've had so many congressmen banging interns or cheating on their wives that people would be laughing all the way to the polling booth.

They can't run as the party of small government - because they grew non-defense spending at an incredible rate over the past 8 years.

They can't run as the party of inclusiveness - just ask the gays or hispanics if you need an explanation...

They can't run a populist campaign - because they only benefited the rich, and the working man is not as stupid or forgetful as they hope..

I think their only hope is to adopt a party slogan of 'We're not that stupid any more' - and name a few sewage treatment plants after Dubya.
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Old 11-20-2008, 04:44 PM
 
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Since when does Romney have a long track record of success?

Here let me lay out the Republican victory strategy:

Wait until 2016 when Obama makes the US a little less terrible and people get comfortable.

Put in candidate that runs on a terrible platform on minor wedge issues. He'll win!

Squander whatever prosperity existed.

Repeat ad nauseum. Worked in 2k
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Old 11-20-2008, 04:50 PM
 
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Well if that is the GOP strategy then they will lose. The GOP can't base its strategy on what Obama does, the GOP needs to offer its own solutions, its own ideas and its own candidates based on a different political philosophy. Otherwise they are just being reactionary and if you are reacting you are not leading. Lack of leading is what got the GOP in this mess in the first place.
Yeah but this is how the GOP has been for like 30 or 40 years. They don't offer their own platform, they're more concerned with winning a race so they run on minor issues instead of focusing on larger issues like the federal government is supposed to do. I honestly don't think this is going to change for a while, and next election they'll run another bad values candidate.
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Old 11-20-2008, 04:52 PM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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Yeah but this is how the GOP has been for like 30 or 40 years. They don't offer their own platform, they're more concerned with winning a race so they run on minor issues instead of focusing on larger issues like the federal government is supposed to do. I honestly don't think this is going to change for a while, and next election they'll run another bad values candidate.
That sounds GREAT to me - can we get it in writing from them???

I'd like to see them get whooped in 2012 like they did in 2006 and 2008!!!

They're on a roll -let's help them keep going!!
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:30 PM
 
Location: USA
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Even though I have committed myself to giving Obama a chance to prove me wrong about him, I am still looking ahead to 2012 and trying to figure out what it's going to take to unseat this jerk.

The way I see it, the GOP strategy will probably vary based on Obama's approval ratings toward the end of his first term. If he holds a high approval rating over 50%, Republicans are going to have to go for the "hail mary" and run someone unconventional. Bobby Jindal comes to mind, as he is young, fresh, energetic, and has the ability to galvanize the base. Even so, it might not be enough considering that if Obama is regarded at least somewhat favorably, there probably wouldn't be many moderates/independents ready to hand the WH back to Republicans given a not-so-distant memory of Bush's abysmal ratings. I'm not sure I have the answer to this scenario, but it will take some creative thinking.

The strategy is much more simple if Obama's approval ratings are in the 40's or below. You run Mitt Romney and let him run away with it. The GOP campaign strategy in this scenario will be to point out that we tried to vote for "change," bringing in someone inexperienced with the hopes that he would infuse Washington with new and fresh ideas, and it didn't work out. So let's put a "familiar old shoe" in there with a ton of experience and a long track record of success and let him right the ship.

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Forget 2012. We are looking for a 2010 strategy to re-take the US House from Pelosi and the Loony Toons running it right now. That would be step #1 in stopping the horrible 2 years about to break out starting Jan 20, 2009. This country is in serious turmoil right now; all because Mr. HUssein has vowed to raise cap gains taxes and raise taxes in general. Look at the Markets since the election and you will see what I mean.

I would go with a Romney/Palin - Palin/Romney in 2012. Face it - Palin has become a GOP Icon/Superstar. She
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:35 PM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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Forget 2012. We are looking for a 2010 strategy to re-take the US House from Pelosi and the Loony Toons running it right now. That would be step #1 in stopping the horrible 2 years about to break out starting Jan 20, 2009. This country is in serious turmoil right now; all because Mr. HUssein has vowed to raise cap gains taxes and raise taxes in general. Look at the Markets since the election and you will see what I mean.

I would go with a Romney/Palin - Palin/Romney in 2012. Face it - Palin has become a GOP Icon/Superstar. She
You're obviously dreaming - actually, sounds like a wet dream to me...
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:37 PM
 
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I think if Romney had been the nominee rather than McCain, he would have won by double-digits. His economic track record would have been hard to turn away from in this climate, and he could have (and probably would have) spoken out against that idiotic bailout package of which 85% of Americans disapproved and Obama (and McCain) voted in favor.

Hindsight is 20/20. (Or foresight in my case, as I supported Romney from the beginning )
I agree about the bailout. McCain should have spoken out against it and refused to vote for it. That would have made a big difference. Like most other conservatives, I wasn't thrilled with McCain as the GOP candidate but he was still a much better choice than the Dem candidate. Barry has already broken 2 campaign promises and he's not even in office yet, so by 2012 everyone may be ready to throw him out of office.
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