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Old 08-18-2009, 08:27 AM
 
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Perhaps, but I'm skeptical that Democratic dominance in Arkansas and Kentucky means they're "progressive." They both went for McCain. In Kentucky Floyd County went for McCain despite the fact it had went Democratic for decades. In 2004 those two states voted 75% in favor of amendments that prohibited both Same-sex-marriage and civil unions. I think they come out highly Democratic because Democratic politicians there are often moderate to conservative, not because Democrats there prefer "progressive" to "liberal."
Hmmm...I never meant to suggest that Democratic dominance in AR or KY meant those places were 'progressive' or 'liberal'.

All I said was that how people vote (or in this case what party they are affiliated with) is more telling than what abstract term ('conservative' 'liberal' 'progressive' etc) they may or may not understand the meaning of and choose to associate with.

Liberalism, for instance, has a long and varied history that I won't even pretend to fully grasp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism


At any rate I'm still trying to figure out what it means that these states that went to McCain are deemed 'Solidly Democratic' by this poll.
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Old 08-18-2009, 08:36 AM
 
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From the page linked below:


It's a neat piece.
Political Party Affiliation: 30 States Blue, 4 Red in 2009 So Far
A neat piece you are NOT hearing about on corporate tv.
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Old 08-18-2009, 08:52 AM
 
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And yet most states also lean conservative.

Political Ideology: "Conservative" Label Prevails in the South

Arkansas is maybe the most anomalous as it's "Solid Democratic" and among the "Most Conservative" in net-conservative score. Other Solidly Democratic states to be listed as high in net-conservative are

Delaware
Indiana - Historically Republican though. I think they turned Democratic over anger with the recession, etc.
Iowa
Kentucky - Democratic governor, but strongly McCain in 2008. Their representation in the US Congress is majority Republican.
New Mexico
North Carolina
Ohio - Noted as a swing state
West Virginia - Democratic party has most local power and US Congress representation, but in Presidential elections they've went Republican from 2000 onward.

Delaware was a bit of a surprise to me as they tend to vote pretty liberal due to the most populated of the three counties being fairly liberal. Maybe their survey overselected for the more conservative areas of the state.
why are you mixing the likes of liberal with democrat AS IF THEY ARE 1.

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Indiana - Historically Republican though. I think they turned Democratic over anger with the recession, etc.
dc stevenson was a kkk govenor of that state in 1924
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Old 08-18-2009, 08:54 AM
 
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why are you mixing the likes of liberal with democrat AS IF THEY ARE 1.



dc stevenson was a kkk govenor of that state in 1924
Wake up, Rip!

Nixon's Southern Strategy of 1968!

The Dixiecrats have been Republicans for over 40 years now.
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Old 08-18-2009, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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From the page linked below:


It's a neat piece.
Political Party Affiliation: 30 States Blue, 4 Red in 2009 So Far
I know for a FACT Arkansas is not solidly Democratic.
Speaking as someone who's African-American, lesbian, and atheist...trust me, you're hard pressed to find some REAL Democrats in this state.
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Old 08-18-2009, 09:00 AM
 
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I know for a FACT Arkansas is not solidly Democratic.
Speaking as someone who's African-American, lesbian, and atheist...trust me, you're hard pressed to find some REAL Democrats in this state.
whats a real democrat? what if that democrat was a conservative one how would that differ from a republican one?
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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From the page linked below:


It's a neat piece.
Political Party Affiliation: 30 States Blue, 4 Red in 2009 So Far
Based on what. I can assure you that Tennessee does not lean Democrat.
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Old 08-20-2009, 05:28 PM
 
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I haven't seen anyhting change in my state of Texas. No one even wanders which democrat is running for governor. Wishful thinking IMO.With independents moving from obama its also unlikely.One reason the bluedogs elected to congress last election are distacing themselves and asserting their views against Obamas health plan.
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Old 08-20-2009, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Georgia leans Democrat?....ah no...not even close. Just look at the 2008 election results and the balance of power in the state's congressional delegation and legislature. Solidly Republican.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Southeast
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In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
Obviously this disclaimer from the article applies. Completely BS findings, I could find more accurate measurements of a Democratic/Republican state with MS Excel calculations than these Gallup people can do with their bean counters...
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