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Old 02-13-2010, 03:42 PM
 
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He hasn't raised any middle class taxes yet. The article says as much.
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Old 02-13-2010, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Refund?

So you are one of those who did not actually pay into the tax base then?

Ok, nice knowing that you are one of those 47% who pay no taxes into the base.


By the way, NOW is the biggest economic crisis since the GD, not then.

Obama owns the worst economy since the GD.

You really need to stop blaming Bush for Obamas mistakes.

How long are you going to blame Bush for Obamas FAILURES?

I thought the fake stimulus was going to fix all these things? Guess not.

Obama watch has created record debt, record foreclosures, record bankruptcies, record car repo's, record homeless, record business closings, record spending and I can go on and on and on.

This is OBAMAS ECONOMY, deal with it.


Get back on topic again Twista, where is my tax break at?
All of my taxes have went up, not down.



Oh yea, unemployment is declining because there is no one left with a job.

By the way, the REAL unemployment rate is 16.7%, not 9.7 like you love to us.

Didnt Obama also promise us that unemployment would not go above 8%. Yet another LIE by Obamie.


To say your taxes have increased, is a BOLD FACED LIE. That is what it is, nothing else to it, BOLD FACED LIE. Obama enacted a $400 tax credit which went to 95% of Americans for 2009 and 2010. That is a fact.

Now as far as foreclosures, bankruptcies, business loss, repos, homeless, etc, those problems just don't happen overnight. Most of the foreclosures that occurred during 2009, as well as most bankruptcies, business loss, etc were from people who were in financial trouble well before Obama took office. In the majority of the country those who are going through foreclosure, have been having problems paying for their mortgage for at least a year. Almost 2.2 million jobs were lost during Bush's last three months in office. We were in a massive free fall as Bush was leaving.

As far as the 8% figure. First off it was meant to compare stimulus to no stimulus, and how it would impact the recovery. It was made with the best stats available at the time. The chart was made well BEFORE the Stimulus was passed, it was made BEFORE Obama even took office, it was made BEFORE the last couple of BRUTAL jobs report from the Bush administration were known, it was made BEFORE the BRUTAL 2008 4th quarter earnings report was released. It was made during a time when everyone knew the economy was in trouble, but no one from either side of the aisle knew the extent of the economic free fall that Obama would be facing when he took over.
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Old 02-13-2010, 10:41 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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One excuse after another.

No sense in arguing with robots who believe Obama is something he is not.

If he was so darn good he would not have allowed this economy to WORSEN since he took office, especially since he stole millions from the tax payers to fix all those problems.

And by the way, the real unemployment is 16.7 to be exact.

He said it would NEVER go above 8% if we allowed him to take the stimulus money and create jobs, inwhich he has lost 8 million jobs.

Stop with the excuses, there are very few of the Obama followers left out there and you are in a huge majority.

He has made things worse then they were without any doubt and things will continue to decline with his mistakes and failures.

He spent an entire damn year of a scam HC bill and forgot that jobs were MORE important.

Now the idiot decides to work on jobs only after he seen that the people have had it with him.

He is a bold face liar and a fraud. If you really cannot see what the man is doing them you really must be easy to scam because millions of others who voted for him now are honest enough to see they made a huge mistake.

Like it or not, people simply do not trust him or the liberals in congress.

Tax cut my ass, he has raised taxes on the secret little things and passed it off as a tax cut. My city taxes went up, my state taxes went up, my real estate taxes went up, everything that has taxes attached to it has went up since the idiot took office.

And you believe he give 95% of us all tax cuts when you know all other taxes went up? You really gotta be kidding me if you scammed you to fall for that one.

Tax and spend is what he is and a very good scam artist to get you to believe anything but.
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Old 02-13-2010, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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One excuse after another.

No sense in arguing with robots who believe Obama is something he is not.

If he was so darn good he would not have allowed this economy to WORSEN since he took office, especially since he stole millions from the tax payers to fix all those problems.

And by the way, the real unemployment is 16.7 to be exact.

He said it would NEVER go above 8% if we allowed him to take the stimulus money and create jobs, inwhich he has lost 8 million jobs.

Stop with the excuses, there are very few of the Obama followers left out there and you are in a huge majority.

He has made things worse then they were without any doubt and things will continue to decline with his mistakes and failures.

He spent an entire damn year of a scam HC bill and forgot that jobs were MORE important.

Now the idiot decides to work on jobs only after he seen that the people have had it with him.

He is a bold face liar and a fraud. If you really cannot see what the man is doing them you really must be easy to scam because millions of others who voted for him now are honest enough to see they made a huge mistake.

Like it or not, people simply do not trust him or the liberals in congress.

Tax cut my ass, he has raised taxes on the secret little things and passed it off as a tax cut. My city taxes went up, my state taxes went up, my real estate taxes went up, everything that has taxes attached to it has went up since the idiot took office.

And you believe he give 95% of us all tax cuts when you know all other taxes went up? You really gotta be kidding me if you scammed you to fall for that one.

Tax and spend is what he is and a very good scam artist to get you to believe anything but.
When you are losing 2.2 million jobs in a 3 month period which is what occurred during the last 3 months of the Bush administration, things are going to get worse before they get better. Obama said as much early last year, that things would get worse until they get better. You just don't go from the kind of immense job loss that was occurring as Bush was leaving office and turn it around.

As far as your 8 million job loss comment, that is a BOLD FACED LIE. Again the 8% was an estimate based off the conditions known at the time, which was before the HORRIFIC financial news of late 08 were known.

As far as your city, state and real estate taxes going up, blame your mayor, blame your Governor.
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:01 AM
 
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He even played sheel games on the heathcare bills . How do you think the states who were reqyuiored to accept more nder medicaid were goign to raise the maoney. Higher taxes. That is why those deals were made to excempt states to get their vote by having the feds pay those states higher medicaid cost.There are provisons in the stimulus that will raise taxes in sates in teh future for taking the money by mandates included in the bill.Tyhere are more way to rise taxes than just raising fedewral taxes and dey having anyhting to do with it.In the end people are foling themselves if they don't thnik taxes are going to be raise in the near future to pay the borrowing we have done just in the last years well into the future.Right now we are like a kid with a credit card with the option of raising our limit everytime we reach it with the bill coming due.
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:40 AM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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When you are losing 2.2 million jobs in a 3 month period which is what occurred during the last 3 months of the Bush administration, things are going to get worse before they get better. Obama said as much early last year, that things would get worse until they get better. You just don't go from the kind of immense job loss that was occurring as Bush was leaving office and turn it around.

As far as your 8 million job loss comment, that is a BOLD FACED LIE. Again the 8% was an estimate based off the conditions known at the time, which was before the HORRIFIC financial news of late 08 were known.

As far as your city, state and real estate taxes going up, blame your mayor, blame your Governor.

They are both looney tax and steal liberals.

Guess they are also riding Obamas back and will both be gone come election time.

Obama promised 5 million new jobs, he has lost 3 more million for a total of 8 million jobs LOST. Liberals love to use projections and his projection and PROMISE to create 5 million NEW jobs has now turned into 8 million and creeping towards 9 million LOST jobs.

Jobs losses only started after your liberal friends named Harry and Nancy took over congress. Bush saved or created millions of jobs before Harry and Nancy took over. How do you like that one, Bush saved or create millions of jobs!!! If Obama can use that line of crap so can we.

Face it, this time next year we will be talking how the rep's wont let Obama get away with his spend it all for nothing anymore.

He is a fraud, liar and a scam artist period. And you need to open your eyes to what the idiot is doing to this country.

Even you could have done better with a blank checkbook and total control of the country. How much of that a stimulus he lied to us has done us any good at all? Any new jobs?

All I see is everything getting worse, not better and under his control with an open checkbook and massive debt for nothing.

He is one big fat mistake and needs to resign. He simply cannot handle the job.
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Old 02-14-2010, 02:28 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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They are both looney tax and steal liberals.

Guess they are also riding Obamas back and will both be gone come election time.

Obama promised 5 million new jobs, he has lost 3 more million for a total of 8 million jobs LOST. Liberals love to use projections and his projection and PROMISE to create 5 million NEW jobs has now turned into 8 million and creeping towards 9 million LOST jobs.

Jobs losses only started after your liberal friends named Harry and Nancy took over congress. Bush saved or created millions of jobs before Harry and Nancy took over. How do you like that one, Bush saved or create millions of jobs!!! If Obama can use that line of crap so can we.

Face it, this time next year we will be talking how the rep's wont let Obama get away with his spend it all for nothing anymore.

He is a fraud, liar and a scam artist period. And you need to open your eyes to what the idiot is doing to this country.

Even you could have done better with a blank checkbook and total control of the country. How much of that a stimulus he lied to us has done us any good at all? Any new jobs?

All I see is everything getting worse, not better and under his control with an open checkbook and massive debt for nothing.

He is one big fat mistake and needs to resign. He simply cannot handle the job.


He never said 5 million jobs would be created overnight or in the first year. So to say he lost those jobs makes no sense at all.

As far as Reid and Pelosi taking over in early 07. First of all the problems that led to the downturn in the economy were years in the making. Secondly, even with Reid and Pelosi taking over, Bush still controlled everything and got exactly what he wanted. The Dems majority in the Senate was slim, the GOP filibustered everything and anything the Dems tried to pass, and Bush had the veto. He was in control.

Bush had the worst job creation record of ANY President since the BLS started keeping track of the stats in the late 30's. The total jobs created under Bush in 8 years were MUCH worse than anyone else. It was BEYOND HORRID. Not only did every other President who served two terms had more job creation than Bush, but so did Carter and his father who only served one term. Hell, Kennedy and Ford who didn't even serve a full term had more jobs created during their tenure than Bush did in EIGHT YEARS.
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Old 02-14-2010, 07:07 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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This isn't a broken promise. This is speculation and fearmongering. And saying Bush and Reagan taxed the middle class isn't an excuse, it's a FACT. It just so happens your types only complain when a Dem does it, or in this case think he will.
This isn't a case of "think he will". Follow his pattern of statements and his actions in direct opposition to what he said (lies). It is very evident what will happen.

Your types simply refuse to admit that your guy is a con man and liar.
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Old 02-14-2010, 07:13 AM
 
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Obama still hasn't taxed the middle class. Sounds like you're in denial. I'm convinced you're a spambot computer. Every post you make uses identical phrases and terms. Honestly, I can copy and paste any one of your posts and it would look identical to another.
He has attempted to increase taxes on those low income individuals who can least afford it. Can you say mandated enrollment (or pay a fine) in his unwanted health care system? You know, the one that failed to pass even with a super majority in congress?

Call it what you will, in truth it is a tax increase. And there are many other examples if you are not to blind to see them.
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Old 02-14-2010, 07:15 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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I've made less than 15 posts the last 4 days. Some of your teabag buddies make that many posts an hour. Civil rights, women's suffrage and abolition were liberal ideas too. Do you consider those dangerous ideas?
Do you consider the tea party ideas dangerous? If not, why continue to use your favorite sexual reference and mis-nomer to refer to them? Can't come up with a real argument?
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