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And the terrorists (White Helmets) in Daraa herded around 100 civilians into a room as gassed them in order to use the bodies as props in a staged chemical attack so that America would get involved and bomb Syria.
Take your pick as to what the truth is, no one will ever know but I'll go with commonsense. Syria had nothing to gain by using chemical weapons. They are just as often a liability as they are an asset tactically anyway. A 500lb barrel bomb is much more effective in removing dug in infantry than chemicals.
Russia really needs to understand the situation. No matter what happens now there result will not be good for it. If Russia does not fight back then the bully will continue to harass and attack. If Russia fights back the west will go nuts as usual.
In today's thuggish world it's better to be feared than respected it seems. America is not respected, but it is feared.
Russia needs to understand the inevitability of what is going on.
Bomb the hell out of every terrorist position in Idlib along with the Turkish troops hiding with them. There is nothing to lose.
The point is everyone knew and knows Assad is a dictator and there's no point supporting him (unless he promises Putin lots of oil if he saves his ass...) and whether Turkey is right or not about supporting the opposition remains to be seen: at least if something's not working you need a change, whether or not this change is for the better: the future will tell.
Of course with all the devastation give it another 50 years until Syria goes back the level of Lebanon let alone wealth but that's a different topic.
The point is everyone knew and knows Assad is a dictator and there's no point supporting him (unless he promises Putin lots of oil if he saves his ass...) and whether Turkey is right or not about supporting the opposition remains to be seen: at least if something's not working you need a change, whether or not this change is for the better: the future will tell.
Of course with all the devastation give it another 50 years until Syria goes back the level of Lebanon let alone wealth but that's a different topic.
I disagree. Assad is a King, kind of like Putin is a Tsar. Assad could ride through the streets of any major city in Syria on a motorbike and be welcomed. He's respected by his people. He's still in power because of his people. That alone should tell you a lot.
You want to know a despot? Americas and the EUs best friend and allie. Mohammad bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia.
Putin and Assad may not be pure as the driven snow but this bastard is everything they're said to be (truthful or not) and far far worse.
I disagree. Assad is a King, kind of like Putin is a Tsar. Assad could ride through the streets of any major city in Syria on a motorbike and be welcomed. He's respected by his people. He's still in power because of his people. That alone should tell you a lot.
Yet he moves in secret with loads of security because a lot of people died to try to remove him from power...Others don't care if he's in power of Syria but they don't want his rule over their area. It would be more accurate to say many people there wanted him gone and many others did not. That's usually, not always, how civil wars go. Why do you think 4 million people left the country mostly from areas he has reconquered...
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You want to know a despot? Americas and the EUs best friend and allie. Mohammad bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia.
Putin and Assad may not be pure as the driven snow but this bastard is everything they're said to be (truthful or not) and far far worse.
I disagree. Using your "military intelligence" apparatus to terrorize people into compliance is a hallmark of despotism. (Here's looking at you Stalin) Do the Saudis do that? No they don't. Do they randomly kidnap and kill people as a warning to others as a means of control? No they don't. When locals air their grievances do they respond with machine guns and mass executions? Not really.
Putin's Russia clearly stands for the rights of authoritarians to retain their hold on power no matter what harm they commit to their own people.
Syrians fighting against their murderous dictator from controlling them = "terrorists". Must be bombed even in their hospitals.
Russians in Ukraine fighting to keep Ukrainians from exercising democracy = "freedom fighters". Must be supplied with tanks for their noble cause.
"It's elementary, Watson!" (Ñ)
Those terrorists who are fighting in Syria against a legitimate government are members of the terrorist organizations ISIS, Al-Nusra, and others that the UN officially recognized as terrorist. In confirmation of which there are relevant resolutions.
In the Donbass, all these people are citizens of Ukraine and they simply resist the genocide that pro-American puppets are staging for the people of Ukraine. And their UN has not officially recognized as terrorists. So that DKM, again by.
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Yet he moves in secret with loads of security because a lot of people died to try to remove him from power...Others don't care if he's in power of Syria but they don't want his rule over their area. It would be more accurate to say many people there wanted him gone and many others did not. That's usually, not always, how civil wars go. Why do you think 4 million people left the country mostly from areas he has reconquered...
Oh, again, these are your fantasies ... People didn’t run away from Assad, although there were some .. Mostly people ran away from the war, because they did not want to be killed.
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I disagree. Using your "military intelligence" apparatus to terrorize people into compliance is a hallmark of despotism. (Here's looking at you Stalin) Do the Saudis do that? No they don't. Do they randomly kidnap and kill people as a warning to others as a means of control? No they don't. When locals air their grievances do they respond with machine guns and mass executions? Not really.
Putin's Russia clearly stands for the rights of authoritarians to retain their hold on power no matter what harm they commit to their own people.
And is the murder and dismemberment of an opposition journalist at an embassy in another country a sign of despotism?
And the torture of prisoners?
As well as persecution, executions and imprisonment of Saudi human rights activists and dissidents?
Or not?
Some warlord in Damascus and his extremist mercenaries aren't the rightful owners of everyone in Syria. They will learn a hard lesson from Turkey. The only question is how many Russians want to learn the hard way too. They seem to have no problem getting killed there or in Ukraine so the answer is probably a lot.
Funny you should say the Donbas is resisting an American genocide. Given the rapid depopulation on the Russian controlled side, how would you measure their success in that regard?
Some warlord in Damascus and his extremist mercenaries aren't the rightful owners of everyone in Syria. They will learn a hard lesson from Turkey. The only question is how many Russians want to learn the hard way too. They seem to have no problem getting killed there or in Ukraine so the answer is probably a lot.
This, as you say, "warlord" is a legitimate head of state, supported by the majority of the people of Syria and recognized by the UN and all its members. But it is precisely the extremist mercenaries supported by the United States and Turkey who are trying to overthrow and crush and destroy a sovereign state.
As for Turkey, it will not be able to do anything. She just will gets a kick in the ass and will shamefully leaves. Erdogan already screwed up in Idlib, and the next thing awaits him the same.
Read the comments on the article, very interesting in places.
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Funny you should say the Donbas is resisting an American genocide. Given the rapid depopulation on the Russian controlled side, how would you measure their success in that regard?
Do not distort .. I did not say "American genocide", I talked about the genocide of Ukrainians by pro-American puppets. These are different things.
There sure are a lot of non Syrians getting killed on Assads side these past few days. Hmmm I'll let the results speak for themselves but right now it appears whoever bombed those Turks made a mistake. Russia was involved but others are paying the price. The good news in Russia is the weapons factories will be busy replacing all that equipment turkey is destroying.
I'm hearing from some people trying to buy dollars in Russia and not able to... running out or?? What's going on over there?
The first time I hear about it.
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