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Old 07-10-2015, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Kalashnikov is actually a ripoff of German design
You are wrong. There are many structural differences AK from StG-44. Unfortunately, I can not translate it.

В остальном же, конструкция систем Шмайссера и Калашникова различается кардинально[22]; принципиальные отличия имеются в устройстве и таких ключевых узлов, как механизм запирания ствола (поворотный затвор у АК, перекос затвора у StG-44); ударно-спусковой механизм (при использовании общего куркового принципа действия, конкретные реализации его функционирования совершенно отличны); магазин, крепление магазина (StG имеет достаточно длинную приёмную горловину, у АК магазин просто вставляется в окно ствольной коробки); переводчика огня и предохранительного устройства (StG имеет отдельные двусторонний переводчик видов огня кнопочного типа и расположенный слева предохранитель в виде флажка, АК â€” расположенный справа переводчик-предохранитель).
Принципиальны и отличия в конструкции ствольной коробки, а соответственно — и процедуре разборки и сборки оружия: у автомата Калашникова она состоит из собственно ствольной коробки с сечением в виде перевёрнутой буквы П с загибами в верхней части, по которым движется затворная группа, и её крепящейся сверху крышки, которую необходимо снять для разборки; у StG-44 же трубчатая ствольная коробка имеет верхнюю часть с замкнутым сечением в виде цифры 8, внутри которой смонтирована затворная группа, и нижнюю, служащую коробкой УСМ, — последнюю для разборки оружия после отделения приклада необходимо откинуть вниз на штифте вместе с рукояткой управления огнём.
У StG траектория движения затворной группы задаётся массивным цилиндрическим основанием газового поршня, перемещающимся внутри цилиндрической полости в верхней части ствольной коробки опираясь на её стенки, а у АК â€” специальными пазами в нижней части затворной рамы, при помощи которых затворная группа перемещается по направляющим загибам в верхней части ствольной коробки как по «рельсам».
В конечном итоге, между двумя образцами остаётся лишь сходство в концепции и немалые совпадения во внешнем дизайне.[12]
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93...BE%D0%B2%D0%B0
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Old 07-10-2015, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Finland
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You are wrong. There are many structural differences AK from StG-44. Unfortunately, I can not translate it.

В остальном же, конструкция систем Шмайссера и Калашникова различается кардинально[22]; принципиальные отличия имеются в устройстве и таких ключевых узлов, как механизм запирания ствола (поворотный затвор у АК, перекос затвора у StG-44); ударно-спусковой механизм (при использовании общего куркового принципа действия, конкретные реализации его функционирования совершенно отличны); магазин, крепление магазина (StG имеет достаточно длинную приёмную горловину, у АК магазин просто вставляется в окно ствольной коробки); переводчика огня и предохранительного устройства (StG имеет отдельные двусторонний переводчик видов огня кнопочного типа и расположенный слева предохранитель в виде флажка, АК — расположенный справа переводчик-предохранитель).
Принципиальны и отличия в конструкции ствольной коробки, а соответственно — и процедуре разборки и сборки оружия: у автомата Калашникова она состоит из собственно ствольной коробки с сечением в виде перевёрнутой буквы П с загибами в верхней части, по которым движется затворная группа, и её крепящейся сверху крышки, которую необходимо снять для разборки; у StG-44 же трубчатая ствольная коробка имеет верхнюю часть с замкнутым сечением в виде цифры 8, внутри которой смонтирована затворная группа, и нижнюю, служащую коробкой УСМ, — последнюю для разборки оружия после отделения приклада необходимо откинуть вниз на штифте вместе с рукояткой управления огнём.
У StG траектория движения затворной группы задаётся массивным цилиндрическим основанием газового поршня, перемещающимся внутри цилиндрической полости в верхней части ствольной коробки опираясь на её стенки, а у АК — специальными пазами в нижней части затворной рамы, при помощи которых затворная группа перемещается по направляющим загибам в верхней части ствольной коробки как по «рельсам».
В конечном итоге, между двумя образцами остаётся лишь сходство в концепции и немалые совпадения во внешнем дизайне.[12]
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93...BE%D0%B2%D0%B0
Yea this doesn't help For sure there are "Structural differences", but the core design is similar.

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After World War II
On April 3, 1945, American troops began to occupy the city of Suhl. Weapons manufacturing was completely prohibited during this time. Hugo Schmeisser and his brother Hans were interrogated for weeks by weapon expert teams of the American and British secret services. At the end of June 1945, American troops evacuated Suhl and all of Thuringia. One month later, the Red Army assumed control over the area, starting a civilian works project to manufacture weapons for the Soviet Union. By August 1945, the Red Army had created 50 StG44s from existing assembly parts, and had begun inspecting their design. 10,785 sheets of technical designs were confiscated by the Soviets as part of their research. In October 1945, Schmeisser was forced to work for the Red Army and instructed to continue development of new weapons.
Schmeisser's brilliance continued to impress the Red Army, and he, along with other weapons designers and their families, was relocated to the USSR. On October 24, 1946, the German specialists rode a train to Izhevsk in the southern Ural Mountains, where a center of Russian firearms development was located. Schmeisser's work while in the Red Army in Izhevsk (1946–1952) is shrouded in darkness. Beyond Mikhail Kalashnikov's 2009 admission that Schmeisser "helped" design the famous AK-47, which strongly resembles Schmeisser's StG44, little is known of his life during this period, until 1952 when he and other German specialists returned home to Germany. With short notice, his stay in the Soviet Union was extended beyond that of the other weapon specialists by a half year. He finally returned home on June 9, 1952. Schmeisser died on 12 September 1953, and was buried in Suhl.


So they had blueprints of STG44, Mikhail Kalashnikov said the German helped him... Did RT tell you it's purely Russian invention?
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Old 07-10-2015, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Yea this doesn't help For sure there are "Structural differences", but the core design is similar.

So they had blueprints of STG44, Mikhail Kalashnikov said the German helped him...
Weapons are not created in isolation. But AK contain important differences from other models. Therefore, it has become a reliable and proliferation of weapons.

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Did RT tell you it's purely Russian invention?
Your jokes are inappropriate. Russians like discussing weapons on different forums. Everyone believes himself a great expert.
I am far from it, but nevertheless, I met comparison AK with other types post-war rifles many times.

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Old 07-10-2015, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Finland
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The Finnish RK-62/76/95 is based on the AK-47, the Israeli Galil is based on the Finnish RK, the South African Vektor R4 is based on the Israeli Galil.
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Old 07-10-2015, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Weapons are not created in isolation. But AK contain important differences from other models. Therefore, it has become a reliable and proliferation of weapons.



Your jokes are inappropriate. Russians like discussing weapons on different forums. Everyone believes himself a great expert.
I am far from it, but nevertheless, I met comparison AK with other types post-war rifles many times.

So there you go.

But I have to admit I would prefer proper AR-15 platform over ak-47 anytime :P
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Old 07-10-2015, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Russia
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But I have to admit I would prefer proper AR-15 platform over ak-47 anytime :P
Since I'm not an expert and I never fired an automatic weapon, I would choose something simple to operate and reliable. For example, AK-74M with GP

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...with_GP-25.jpg
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Old 07-14-2015, 02:03 AM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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How easy is travel between EU and Russia? train and by vehicle?

Are road trips and train trips to lets say Germany popular for people in Western Russia?
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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I also remember hearing about this joke:

Q: What's the world capital of dairy farming?

A: Moscow!
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Russia
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How easy is travel between EU and Russia? train and by vehicle?

Are road trips and train trips to lets say Germany popular for people in Western Russia?
I think 99% is air travel. Train and car is long and uncomfortable. Simply rent a car on the spot.
And yes, Germany, France, Italy, Spain are popular destinations for Russian "cultural" tourism.
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Old 07-15-2015, 02:39 AM
 
Location: Polderland
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Weapons are not created in isolation. But AK contain important differences from other models. Therefore, it has become a reliable and proliferation of weapons.

Your jokes are inappropriate. Russians like discussing weapons on different forums. Everyone believes himself a great expert.
I am far from it, but nevertheless, I met comparison AK with other types post-war rifles many times.
What about guns in Russia. Is it legal to own a gun for hunting or self defense?

And also about going outdoors, can one just go out in the wild and make camp everywhere or are there certain areas were that's allowed?
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