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Old 08-14-2014, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Holland
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Were you going to address the point that tasing people is just as effective in deterring them, as shooting to kill?
Why don't we test that? We go live next to each other and will have a clear sign that says that burglars in your house get tasered and in my house get shot between the eyes. The winner will be the ones with the least burglaries.

 
Old 08-14-2014, 10:13 PM
 
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Why don't we test that? We go live next to each other and will have a clear sign that says that burglars in your house get tasered and in my house get shot between the eyes. The winner will be the ones with the least burglaries.
Dude, you sound over-eager to blow people up. Hostile, much? Why blow a guy's brains out if he's unarmed? If you hear someone breaking in, or prowling around, call the cops. If you try to shoot him, he might be armed, and he might be a better shot than you. Let the cops handle it, that's what they're for. And get a better house alarm.

This is one part of the American lifestyle Europeans don't envy. How can you envy a country where little kids get a hold of their parents' gun and accidentally shoot a sibling or a friend? And where mentally disturbed young people have easy access to guns, and shoot up a theater, a restaurant or a school?

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Old 08-15-2014, 05:49 AM
 
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They can't sue you for tasing them.
Google "law suit taser" and get ready to spend some time.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 05:51 AM
 
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Why don't we test that? We go live next to each other and will have a clear sign that says that burglars in your house get tasered and in my house get shot between the eyes. The winner will be the ones with the least burglaries.
Texas Castle Law is well and alive. Our neighbor has a huge sign on the house (metal artwork showing two pistols). It reads "we do not call 911".
 
Old 08-15-2014, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Texas Castle Law is well and alive. Our neighbor has a huge sign on the house (metal artwork showing two pistols). It reads "we do not call 911".
I've heard many Americans wear T-shirts which reads "I DON'T CALL 911".
 
Old 08-15-2014, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Finland
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First, in most countries in Europe armed burglaries are very uncommon. So you end up shooting an unarmed person. Organised crime groups seldom break into homes, often the burglars are desperate people who probably aren't even prepared to use violence. Might be kids, even.

It's easy to have violence-fantasies on the Internet and be so macho and bloodthirsty, but has actually anyone here shot anybody? I don't think so, and neither have I. It's a very long path from taking the weapon from the cabinet to pulling the trigger on someone. What if it's a Latvian 18-year old boy? Or a Guatemalan 20-year old escaped prostitute and human traffic victim? You just blast their brains out on your Persian mat and go back to sleep? Not bloody likely.

As in for example rape, it's equally easy to depict burglars and rapists as evil heartless drug-addict criminals that deserve to die, when in fact the majority of rapes are committed by husbands or family members. You really want to castrate your brother and feed him his balls as you might preach? I don't think so.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Holland
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Dude, you sound over-eager to blow people up. Hostile, much? Why blow a guy's brains out if he's unarmed?
Great another one who is mostly concerned with telling victims that they have not right to, but shutting up towards the real criminals. What is if with you people that when a real victims defends himself or herself you all come running saying that defending should not happen but you people never ever go to criminals telling them that they should not commit crimes. Telling criminals that committing crimes is wrong and that not cimmitting crimes solves all the problems.

No I do not blow people up, I am fed up with crime and the impact it has on the lives of victims. Why do you not write "why break into a person's home when you know it is illegal and has a serious impact on the victim?".


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This is one part of the American lifestyle Europeans don't envy.
First, Europeans is a group of 350 million people, do not speak for all of them. Second, which is that part? The part where people do have a right to defend themselves against criminals? Or the next part that you write, which occurs much less in other countries like Canada and Australia.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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I've been home twice when there was breaking and entering happening. (2 different locations.) Both times, the burgler didn't know anyone was home. The first time, I left and called police from a safe distance. Not a big deal. The second time, it turned out to be a kid who ran as soon as he realized there was someone home. I didn't even have to say "boo".

There's no reason to go shooting people up, most of the time. And again, a taser would do the job if you had to immobilize someone.
Well, you and I have had different experiences. I've actually had to protect myself using a gun (didn't have to shoot it - only had to hold it up, thank goodness), so I have a little different take on it. And if I'd called the police, I would have been a victim of crime by the time they got there, because I was in a very rural area. And I hate to think what sort of crime that would have been.

This leads me to another point. Especially in the South and West, many Americans live in very rural areas. Frankly, I prefer not to have to wait for the police to arrive if someone's breaking into my home in the middle of the night when I'm living out in the boonies.

And often, as in my case, it's merely the PRESENCE of a gun that does the trick. Like I said, all I had to do was hold that gun up for them to take off like bats out of hell.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Eastwood, Orlando FL
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Well, you and I have had different experiences. I've actually had to protect myself using a gun (didn't have to shoot it - only had to hold it up, thank goodness), so I have a little different take on it. And if I'd called the police, I would have been a victim of crime by the time they got there, because I was in a very rural area. And I hate to think what sort of crime that would have been.

This leads me to another point. Especially in the South and West, many Americans live in very rural areas. Frankly, I prefer not to have to wait for the police to arrive if someone's breaking into my home in the middle of the night when I'm living out in the boonies.

And often, as in my case, it's merely the PRESENCE of a gun that does the trick. Like I said, all I had to do was hold that gun up for them to take off like bats out of hell.
And this would be the exception for me personally. In a rural area I might have a gun, especially now that my kids are adults. I'd probably never live in arural area though.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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And this would be the exception for me personally. In a rural area I might have a gun, especially now that my kids are adults.
Sounds reasonable to me. In rural areas of Finland many have indeed locked gun cabinets. But the difference is that they seldomly shoot on unarmed people stepping on their property. Like in America.
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