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Comparing it to NSDAP is little too far in my opinion as well. In Estonia, people (specifically: Russians, Ukrainians etc) who are not assimilated to the Estonian culture and language are not considered as real Estonians even if they are born there and have lived there for generations, but does not have the right to vote and other things until they have become fully assimilated Estonians who pledge loyalty to the nation of Estonia and speaks the language fluently. This goes far beyond what SD wants. Does this mean that Estonia is a nazi country?
All these examples are just so very strange. You expect anyone to really compare immigration and racism in Sweden (and Europe) with these examples? The peoples you mention have been colonized, used and killed because of imperialism. Guess what, Sweden (or the rest of Western Europe) never have. We have never had to face our cultural integrity being threatened by millions of chinese immigrants like the Tibetans. The Kurds have been killed and prosecuted by pretty much everyone in the middle east. Not to mention the atrocities European colonial powers did. In these circumstances I think it's pretty natural to be a little on the defensive, no? Racism occurs not when defending against the threat of cultural destruction. Racism occurs when the powers of old don't want to take responsibility of said actions. To behave like these other cultures are in a lower standing tier of civilization and thus feeling ok to let them go on living in fear and death. Racism is always the strong preying on the weak not the the other way around.
Europeans have actually been invaded by non-western countries. In 1580 the Ottoman Empire was controlling what is today Ukraine, Romania, Russia, Greece, Hungary and all of former Yugoslavia. This is the reason why Albania is 60 percent Muslim, Bosnia and Herzegovina is 40 percent Muslim and Kosovo is 95 percent is Muslim. In the height of Ottoman Empire they were able to get as far as Vienna in 1683. From 710 to 1492 large parts of what is today Spain and Portugal was occupied by Muslims such as the Umayyad Caliphate, Emirate of Córdoba, Caliphate of Córdoba, Al-Mansur Ibn Abi Aamir and so on. The Emirate of Granada was defeated by Spain in 1492 after 254 years of occupation. The Mongol Empire (1206-1368) is also an example of a non-western nation which as attacked and occupied part of Europe. Turkey (than Ottoman Empire) are still in control of Northern Cyprus since 1571. It is a fact that Europeans have been forced to convert to Islam (for example in Albania, Spain and Yugoslavia), have been taken slaves by Muslim and other non-western empires and been both subdued to genocide and ethnocide. The Swedish government recently acknowledges the genocide of Armenians, Assyrians and Greek in 1913-1923 by the Turkey. Around 750,000 to 900,000 ethnic Greeks were killed (directly or indirect) by Turkish/Ottoman government.
The Chinese immigration to Tibet is significantly smaller than the immigration to Sweden. The ethnic Tibetans are still 95 percent of the population (New York Times, 24 July, 2010). This not the case with Sweden and will not be the case in future. The reason why the Tibetans oppose Chinese immigration is as a large Tibetan support group writes;
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“Beijing's new policy of population transfer into Tibet threatens the very existence of Tibetan culture, religion and national identity. Mass immigration by Chinese settlers into Lhasa and other areas in the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) has been exacerbated by economic reforms, especially since 1992. This transfer reduces the Tibetans to a minority in their own country, which in turn disenfranchises them from the future political process.”
“Beijing's new policy of population transfer into Sweden threatens the very existence of Swedish culture, religion and national identity. Mass immigration by Chinese settlers into Stockholm and other areas in Sweden has been exacerbated by economic reforms, especially since 1992. This transfer reduces the Swedes to a minority in their own country, which in turn disenfranchises them from the future political process.”
Do you notice something? It is the same argument as the Swedish Democrats or the Danish Peoples Party use to make the point that immigration actually hurt the Swedish or Danish culture, religion and national identity. I don’t hear people call Tibetans racist for opposing Chinese immigration. According to International Law population transfers is illegal. Governments which displace its citizens or replacing their citizens with others are committing a crime. To deny ethnic groups right to their religion, culture or national identity are committing ethnocide. This is what the Chinese government does in Tibet. The goal of the Chinese government is to replace the Tibetan population with Han-Chinese. The same thing is going on in the West bank by the Israeli government. It also committed in smaller scale in the Amazonas by the Brazilian government. This is happens all over the world and committed by all races, all ethnicities from all religions. It was done to the Greeks in Anatolia by the Turks before and after WW1 and it was done to the Germans after WW2 by the Alliance.
You talk about racism without defining it. You claim that people, because they are white have no right to ethnic, religious, national and cultural identity because of colonization or other immoral behavior– something most ethnic groups have done in the past. The idea with international law is that all government have to abide and that all people, regardless who they are ought to be protected from crimes against humanity.
Europeans have actually been invaded by non-western countries. In 1580 the Ottoman Empire was controlling what is today Ukraine, Romania, Russia, Greece, Hungary and all of former Yugoslavia. This is the reason why Albania is 60 percent Muslim, Bosnia and Herzegovina is 40 percent Muslim and Kosovo is 95 percent is Muslim. In the height of Ottoman Empire they were able to get as far as Vienna in 1683. From 710 to 1492 large parts of what is today Spain and Portugal was occupied by Muslims such as the Umayyad Caliphate, Emirate of Córdoba, Caliphate of Córdoba, Al-Mansur Ibn Abi Aamir and so on. The Emirate of Granada was defeated by Spain in 1492 after 254 years of occupation. The Mongol Empire (1206-1368) is also an example of a non-western nation which as attacked and occupied part of Europe. Turkey (than Ottoman Empire) are still in control of Northern Cyprus since 1571. It is a fact that Europeans have been forced to convert to Islam (for example in Albania, Spain and Yugoslavia), have been taken slaves by Muslim and other non-western empires and been both subdued to genocide and ethnocide. The Swedish government recently acknowledges the genocide of Armenians, Assyrians and Greek in 1913-1923 by the Turkey. Around 750,000 to 900,000 ethnic Greeks were killed (directly or indirect) by Turkish/Ottoman government.
Yes, that's why I wrote no country in Western Europe have ever been colonized. But religious wars/conversions has nothing to do with race and racism anyway and it's not what we are discussing. The Christian kingdom of Fernando and Isabella were just as much doing the same to the moors and jews after the reconquista as well.
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The Chinese immigration to Tibet is significantly smaller than the immigration to Sweden. The ethnic Tibetans are still 95 percent of the population (New York Times, 24 July, 2010). This not the case with Sweden and will not be the case in future. The reason why the Tibetans oppose Chinese immigration is as a large Tibetan support group writes;
Let put that statement into the scrambler;
Do you notice something? It is the same argument as the Swedish Democrats or the Danish Peoples Party use to make the point that immigration actually hurt the Swedish or Danish culture, religion and national identity. I don’t hear people call Tibetans racist for opposing Chinese immigration. According to International Law population transfers is illegal. Governments which displace its citizens or replacing their citizens with others are committing a crime. To deny ethnic groups right to their religion, culture or national identity are committing ethnocide. This is what the Chinese government does in Tibet. The goal of the Chinese government is to replace the Tibetan population with Han-Chinese. The same thing is going on in the West bank by the Israeli government. It also committed in smaller scale in the Amazonas by the Brazilian government. This is happens all over the world and committed by all races, all ethnicities from all religions. It was done to the Greeks in Anatolia by the Turks before and after WW1 and it was done to the Germans after WW2 by the Alliance.
You talk about racism without defining it. You claim that people, because they are white have no right to ethnic, religious, national and cultural identity because of colonization or other immoral behavior– something most ethnic groups have done in the past. The idea with international law is that all government have to abide and that all people, regardless who they are ought to be protected from crimes against humanity.
This argument is what always comes up when talking about these things. That somehow the mass influx of immigrants will eradicate whatever culture they come into contact with. This argument falters on so many points it just turns weak. Eradicate what? The most Swedish of Swedish? This golden thing that no one seem to be able to define anyway. You put on some traditional Swedish clothing and feel proud of showing where your nationality lies.
Culture and cultural identity always evolves. Nothing stands still, ever. For sure Sweden is not the same today as 20 years ago. It's not the same place it was 40 years ago, so the question is from what period of time do you want to just freeze and say, this, this is the Sweden I want. You just can't do that. Yes the immigrants coming here change things, and as I said before, thank god they do.
The situation in Sweden is in no where the same as in Tibet. Receiving immigrants is different from being conquered and assimilated.
For those of you who don't understand Swedish it's adressing just what kind of party SD is. And indeed, calling SD an exclusively fascist party is wrong, depending on what kind of definition we use about the word fascism. Things change and so does ideologies.
But for anyone following Swedish politics you have to know that the 2nd(!) deputy speaker in the Swedish parliament who just happen to be from SD claimed just a week ago that Jews, Samis, Kurds etc can have Swedish citizenship but not be of the Swedish nation, no matter if they are born in Sweden or not.
A few years ago, actually the same year as the link you posted, 2011, they broadened their ideological etiquette. I quote; "We are a social conservative party with a nationalistic foundation". So, this ultra nationalism combined with a social agenda seems indeed more NSDAP rather than fascist actually.
Thank you for the debate article. Personally I prefer Henrik Ekengren Oscarsson, Professor in Political Science at Gothenburg University, Tino Sanandaji, researcher (P.HD) at Research Institute of Industrial Economics, Lars Wilderang, writer and commentator (MA in Computer science) and other writers attached to liberal-conservative Neo Magazine and Axess Magazine than Arnstad. Although, I cannot say I have read everything he has written. What I understand he is a celebrity in the liberal Swedish establishment
Arnstad, who has written that article, lied about his credentials. He does not even hold a BA in history but have constantly lied about it. He claimed he was studying a Master at Stockholm University, which he did not. He claimed he was hired as a researcher first Stockholm University and then Sodertorns College which he was not. His book Loved fascism: the dark brown movement’s ideology and history (2013) has been heavily criticized by real scholars with P.HD. His past book Guilty of culpability: a European trip in Nazi Germany's shadow (2009) is a defamation of Finnish history and a white-washing of Russian aggression towards Finland. As liberal-conservative writer and editor at Neo Ivar Arpi wrote on twitter recently, after prime-minister Stefan Lofven (S) and the minister of finance called the Swedish Democrats a fascist party; “Stefan Lofven goes full Arnstad. Never go full Arnstad.”
What the third speaker of the house siad was not controversial. I cannot see how its controversial, racist or fascist to claim that ethnic Swedes exist. In Denmark it would be unacceptable to say that ethnic Danish don’t exist as a people. If you deny a people their ethnic identity you do the same thing as the Turks do the Kurds; says that they cannot be given a minority statues because they do not exist. Just before the 2014 general election Robert Hannah and Simona Mohamsson, candidates for parliament and members of the liberal Peoples Party wrote
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“ All rasism är rasism oavsett om den drabbar majoritetsbefolkningen eller minoritetsbefolkningen. Även rasismen som drabbar etniska svenskar måste bekämpas.”
My translation into english: "All racism is racism, whether it affects the majority population or minority population. Even the racism faced by ethnic Swedes must be fought. "
Are Hannah and Mohamsson racists? Are the Peoples Party a racist party? What the third speaker of the house said was nothing that contradict current laws. The only reason why the Sami people does exist is because they are a people. If they would be ethnic Swedes they wouldn’t be Sami people and so they wouldn’t be able to seek minority statues. The Sami people can be Swedish Citizens but not ethnic Swedes. Mattias Ahren apparently a Sami human rights lawyer seem to agree with the third speaker of the house.
As individuals we can have two or more identities but these are personal identities but not cultural, ethnic or religious identities. From a international law perspective you can only have one national identity. Understand, national identity is something different from being a citizen. For some people (as individuals) it can be difficult such adopted from other countries. These people (if they are Swedes) can be culturally and religiously Swedes but they are ethnic Swedes. There are also people of mixed heritage which of course are both. These people do to fall between the chairs (to use a Swedish expression).
When it comes to multiculturalism in Sweden it is at least problemized within Academia. In 2001 Brian Berry was given the Johan Skytte political Prize by Uppsala Univeristy and in 2006 Robert D. Putnam was given the same prize. It is one of the most prestigious prizes in political science in Sweden. Berry was an opponent to multiculturalism from a liberal perspective and Robert D. Putnam believes (Scandinavian Political Studies 30, no. 2 (June 2007): 137-174.) that multiculturalism reduce social capital.
Criticism of multiculturalism can be done from nationalistic, conservative, socialist or even liberal perspective. Issues regarding Multiculturalism are not simple. The Swedish establishment undermine academic and intellectual enquiry in almost all fields but not only that. They undermine common sense and their own policy and law. In Denmark, the Swedish Democrats are not considered to be “radicals”. The Danish Peoples Party is entirely legit in Denmark and only the absolute far-left are calling them racists. The Danish Peoples Party does not see their meeting being interrupted as in Sweden. They are not called names by journalists and wannabe academics. A month ago the Danish People Party became the largest party in a poll. They were congratulated by both the Conservatives and Venstre. The Danish Peoples Party was also congratulated when they became the largest party representing Denmark in European Union. The Danish People Party is in the European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR) group in the European Parliament. It is headed by Syed Kamall, (a Muslim) which is member of Tories. Tories is currently the ruling party in United Kingdom. We don’t hate each other in Denmark if we don’t agree. We argue with each other and put forward valid arguments. For some reason it seem to work the same way in Finland, Iceland and Norway - but not in Sweden. I’m not even a nationalist and I go “wow” when I read Swedish media and talk with friends and family living in Sweden. It is jaw dropping.
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That is because they are a nazi party.
You should know that if you follow swedish politics as much as you claim to do.
My question to you: Why is Sweden Democrats a Nazi Party? Can you answer my question? Can you show me any ideology-analysis about them which is published in peer-review journal? At least you ought to give me arguments which can be falsified.
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Yes, that's why I wrote no country in Western Europe have ever been colonized. But religious wars/conversions has nothing to do with race and racism anyway and it's not what we are discussing. The Christian kingdom of Fernando and Isabella were just as much doing the same to the moors and jews after the reconquista as well.
This argument is what always comes up when talking about these things. That somehow the mass influx of immigrants will eradicate whatever culture they come into contact with. This argument falters on so many points it just turns weak. Eradicate what? The most Swedish of Swedish? This golden thing that no one seem to be able to define anyway. You put on some traditional Swedish clothing and feel proud of showing where your nationality lies.
Culture and cultural identity always evolves. Nothing stands still, ever. For sure Sweden is not the same today as 20 years ago. It's not the same place it was 40 years ago, so the question is from what period of time do you want to just freeze and say, this, this is the Sweden I want. You just can't do that. Yes the immigrants coming here change things, and as I said before, thank god they do.
The situation in Sweden is in no where the same as in Tibet. Receiving immigrants is different from being conquered and assimilated.
Woot? We have been colonized through military aggression from all kind of people and we fought them and won. I’m proud that the Spaniards defended Europe from Muslim aggression. I’m proud that the Vienna defeated the Ottoman Empire and all the Eastern Europeans who successfully have protected the European borders from Mongols. A nation without border is no nation. I think the Finnish are proud that they defeated Russia. As Danish I’m proud that we fought the Nazi aggression just as the Norwegians are proud fought the Nazi occupiers. I understand that innocent was hurt in reconquista of Spain but it was necessary to defend Spain and the western civilization. I don’t support military aggression towards civilians but that is not the same thing as allowing colonization. Spain and Portugal expelled civilians who came to their land illegally and with the sinister purpose of colonization. It also applies to Westerns who came to the Americas with the purpose to displace Native Americans. Those who were responsible for the suffering were the Muslim empires, city states and countries who tried to conquer Europe just as the Westerns countries which colonized non-western countries are responsible for what they done.
It is not my job to define who is Swedish or not because I’m not an ethnic Swede. I’m not a member of the Swedish Nation nor do I hold a Swedish Citizenship. Ethnicity has nothing to do with clothing. Clothing is cultural and cultural change over time. Ethnicity cannot be changed are linked to race. There are anthropological discussion what ought to be included in ethnicity. Some scholars want to include more in ethnic concept. My view on ethnicity is more American and therefore more essentialist than social-constructive. Have you have discussed with yourself what you are actually writing?
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“You just can't do that. Yes the immigrants coming here change things, and as I said before, thank god they do.”
What you advocate is the very definition of ethnocide. You have a problem with Chinese exploitation, assimilation and displacement of Tibetans but you have no problem if it happens to Swedes. You Swedes are really self-destructive. You are nihilist and self-haters. You are pathological. You have made every serious discussion about immigration and your own nation taboo. Apparently, at least 12.9 percent of you disagree and looking at the numbers from SOM-institute you find that around 45 percent want to lower och stop immigration depending how the question is asked. On the opposite side it either around 30 percent or 18 percent who wants more immigrants to Sweden.
I think Denmark have a too liberal immigration policy. Still, I don’t agree with the propaganda from the Danish Peoples Party about Muslims nor am I keen on their nationalism. I vote for the Conservative Party and sometimes Venstre. I’m not unique – a plurality of the Danish would agree with me. Still, I think you allow ten times or more immigrants to settle each year. Denmark had an immigration of approximately 55,000 people in 2012. In 2013 Denmark received 7540 asylum-seekers which the double that of Finland. Denmark does not have resources to economically and socially assimilate these people. Denmark needs to fight unemployment, poverty and help immigrants already living in Denmark to find employment. What I understand, your municipalities says that same thing. These views I have presented for you are mainstream in Denmark and not at all controversial. There are plenty of Western countries (if not all of them) which may not have the same policy towards immigration but were such views I presented are not controversial. This is a recruitment video from USA;
Note: “and carry on the ideals of a nation” (0.32)
To become neutralized citizens you have to swear allegiance to United States and before answer a few questions. The US Pledge of Allegiance goes;
“"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." (1954 edition)
It is not controversial among Americans. American practices what is called civil-nationalism or liberal-nationalism. Everyone can become an American if they swear their allegiance to United States. The allegiance is more or less defined by the US constitution. In European countries it is a bit different because they are historical ethno-states which are similar to most states in the world including Israel. Nationalism or Patriotism (as you say in United States) is not one bit controversial.
Do you even know why you call immigrants for first, second and third generations? Do you know why your flag as a cross in it? Do you know why you celebrate Christmas and summer graduations in church? Do you know why your princess can only marry another protestant? Do you know why Tage Erlander (your longest serving prime-minister) in a speech from 1965 said he was happy that Sweden is a ethnic homogenous country in a public speech. Do you know why you gypsies until 1948 were not allowed immigrate to Sweden? I could go on and on and explain your explicit ethno-nationalism you celebrated. Swedes were even better than us Danish to be nationalist. We were the progressives. You on the other hand love yourself over everything. Than everything just changed when Olof Palme introduced multiculturalism 1975 and you all became all UN-flag wavers, singing “We are the World “in school and liberal. Your politicians really think we are going to follow your steps and erase or national identity and allow millions of people move to our countries just to be “tolerant”? I think all immigrants living in Sweden I know which do not aspire to be hired by Bonnier corporation or get some fluffy tax-paid NGO-job think you Swedes are morons. They all know that you are one of the most nationalist people on the planet. What is so dangerous with your pathological self-hatred is that when most of you regret it you will turn genocidal. Sweden until just 200 years ago was a fierce and aggressive state. The first think you did after the Treaty of Roskilde was to commit a ethnocide on the ethnic Danish population in Scania.
We Danish just sit and wait until your “tolerance” will blow up in your faces. I’m surprised that people are so liberal that they vote Swedish Democrats which in international context would be considered to be extremely tolerant. Most people would go all in elected some really nasty nationalist like the ones in former Yugoslavia or something similar as your government before WW2. I think the Finnish members of the Forum can tell you about your historical policy in Finland.
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Not only did the Norwegians fight against the Nazi occupiers, the Norwegians also fought against the swede occupiers in 1840 and once again in 1905.
And little did the Norwegians know about the fact that almost all of the weapons that was used against them by the nazis was brought to Norway by swedes thru Sweden.
Weapon used against Norwegians and Brits, brougth there by swedes thru Sweden:
Not only did the Norwegians fight against the Nazi occupiers, the Norwegians also fought against the swede occupiers in 1840 and once again in 1905.
Yeah, what is going on Sweden is just insanity. One of the worst nationalist people on the planet went all multiculturalists over night when their government and their mainstream media decided that they ought to in 1975. These people cry rivers for how oppressive they have been – like someone will come down and forgive them. We Danish will never apologize for Christian II, who executed parts of their elite in the Stockholm Bloodbath in 1520 and we expect no apologize from Sweden. A translation of the monolog by a Swedish doctor (played by Swedish actor Ernst-Hugo Jardegard) watching Sweden from the Kingdom Hospital in Copenhagen, in the Danish mini-series The Kingdom from 1994.
- Call the angelic ground or celestial earth if you want (People 's song written by Evert Taube )
- Thanks
- You Swedish watchtower (Nuclear-Plants) with plutonium, we force the Dane on his knees
And little did the Norwegians know about the fact that almost all of the weapons that was used against them by the nazis was brought to Norway by swedes thru Sweden.
Weapon used against Norwegians and Brits, brougth there by swedes thru Sweden:
Yeah, while the Denmark and Norway was occupied Sweden made billions on selling ore to Nazi-Germany and let Germany ship troops through Sweden to Norway. Why? Well, they had a sweat spot for Nazi-Germany and their money. About 60 years they come a preach tolerance. In Denmark we preach tolerance like this;
Woot? We have been colonized through military aggression from all kind of people and we fought them and won. I’m proud that the Spaniards defended Europe from Muslim aggression. I’m proud that the Vienna defeated the Ottoman Empire and all the Eastern Europeans who successfully have protected the European borders from Mongols. A nation without border is no nation. I think the Finnish are proud that they defeated Russia. As Danish I’m proud that we fought the Nazi aggression just as the Norwegians are proud fought the Nazi occupiers. I understand that innocent was hurt in reconquista of Spain but it was necessary to defend Spain and the western civilization. I don’t support military aggression towards civilians but that is not the same thing as allowing colonization. Spain and Portugal expelled civilians who came to their land illegally and with the sinister purpose of colonization. It also applies to Westerns who came to the Americas with the purpose to displace Native Americans. Those who were responsible for the suffering were the Muslim empires, city states and countries who tried to conquer Europe just as the Westerns countries which colonized non-western countries are responsible for what they done.
Yes, I know that wars have been fought in history. I don't condone any wars. But it's not really what we have been discussing, because I'm sorry to say this to you, I see no connection to mongol invaders and immigration in Sweden and I never brought that aspect up.
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It is not my job to define who is Swedish or not because I’m not an ethnic Swede. I’m not a member of the Swedish Nation nor do I hold a Swedish Citizenship. Ethnicity has nothing to do with clothing. Clothing is cultural and cultural change over time. Ethnicity cannot be changed are linked to race. There are anthropological discussion what ought to be included in ethnicity. Some scholars want to include more in ethnic concept. My view on ethnicity is more American and therefore more essentialist than social-constructive. Have you have discussed with yourself what you are actually writing?
So in your world then I may ask, what is the meaning of ethnicity? The actual meaning of it. Is it the color of your skin, DNA? Genetic similarities? I have neanderthal genome, I guess you do too, are we ethnic Neanderthal?
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What you advocate is the very definition of ethnocide. You have a problem with Chinese exploitation, assimilation and displacement of Tibetans but you have no problem if it happens to Swedes. You Swedes are really self-destructive. You are nihilist and self-haters. You are pathological. You have made every serious discussion about immigration and your own nation taboo. Apparently, at least 12.9 percent of you disagree and looking at the numbers from SOM-institute you find that around 45 percent want to lower och stop immigration depending how the question is asked. On the opposite side it either around 30 percent or 18 percent who wants more immigrants to Sweden.
It's kind of sweet that you have such a big concern for us "ethnic" Swedes but this fear really is beyond reason. If I'm completely truthful I'm more concerned about the influence of US media in Sweden. TV-shows, films and music is dominant. This is actually a bigger threat to this "ethnic" Swedish populace than anything else. And I say it again, the situation between Sweden and Tibet (in this example) are worlds apart, you started the comparison, not I.
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I think Denmark have a too liberal immigration policy. Still, I don’t agree with the propaganda from the Danish Peoples Party about Muslims nor am I keen on their nationalism. I vote for the Conservative Party and sometimes Venstre. I’m not unique – a plurality of the Danish would agree with me. Still, I think you allow ten times or more immigrants to settle each year. Denmark had an immigration of approximately 55,000 people in 2012. In 2013 Denmark received 7540 asylum-seekers which the double that of Finland. Denmark does not have resources to economically and socially assimilate these people. Denmark needs to fight unemployment, poverty and help immigrants already living in Denmark to find employment. What I understand, your municipalities says that same thing. These views I have presented for you are mainstream in Denmark and not at all controversial. There are plenty of Western countries (if not all of them) which may not have the same policy towards immigration but were such views I presented are not controversial. This is a recruitment video from USA;
Denmark have half the population of Sweden so I agree they shouldn't receive as many immigrants as we do. The same goes for Norway and Finland too. But if the wealthiest region in the world can't take care of immigrants who just need a place to go to survive who can? We can take care of immigrants, we have done it for decades and look, we're still pretty rich up here. We still dance around a penis during midsummer, we still eat surströmming in late summer. And if we are speaking in pure economical terms, receiving immigrants is actually beneficial contrary to popular beliefs. All major parties in Sweden claim this, except SD of course.
To become neutralized citizens you have to swear allegiance to United States and before answer a few questions. The US Pledge of Allegiance goes;
“"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." (1954 edition)
It is not controversial among Americans. American practices what is called civil-nationalism or liberal-nationalism. Everyone can become an American if they swear their allegiance to United States. The allegiance is more or less defined by the US constitution. In European countries it is a bit different because they are historical ethno-states which are similar to most states in the world including Israel. Nationalism or Patriotism (as you say in United States) is not one bit controversial.
And this is the difference between you and I, you celebrate nationalism while I absolutely hate it. It's one of the most destructive ideologies ever invented.
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Do you even know why you call immigrants for first, second and third generations? Do you know why your flag as a cross in it? Do you know why you celebrate Christmas and summer graduations in church? Do you know why your princess can only marry another protestant? Do you know why Tage Erlander (your longest serving prime-minister) in a speech from 1965 said he was happy that Sweden is a ethnic homogenous country in a public speech. Do you know why you gypsies until 1948 were not allowed immigrate to Sweden? I could go on and on and explain your explicit ethno-nationalism you celebrated. Swedes were even better than us Danish to be nationalist. We were the progressives. You on the other hand love yourself over everything. Than everything just changed when Olof Palme introduced multiculturalism 1975 and you all became all UN-flag wavers, singing “We are the World “in school and liberal. Your politicians really think we are going to follow your steps and erase or national identity and allow millions of people move to our countries just to be “tolerant”? I think all immigrants living in Sweden I know which do not aspire to be hired by Bonnier corporation or get some fluffy tax-paid NGO-job think you Swedes are morons. They all know that you are one of the most nationalist people on the planet. What is so dangerous with your pathological self-hatred is that when most of you regret it you will turn genocidal. Sweden until just 200 years ago was a fierce and aggressive state. The first think you did after the Treaty of Roskilde was to commit a ethnocide on the ethnic Danish population in Scania.
We Danish just sit and wait until your “tolerance” will blow up in your faces. I’m surprised that people are so liberal that they vote Swedish Democrats which in international context would be considered to be extremely tolerant. Most people would go all in elected some really nasty nationalist like the ones in former Yugoslavia or something similar as your government before WW2. I think the Finnish members of the Forum can tell you about your historical policy in Finland.
You are quite a belligerent person aren't you? This chunk of your reasoning just oozes with some sort of hate about something, perhaps everything Swedish I don't know.
But ok, Ill play along. I don't celebrate what Sweden was. I don't go out honouring Karl XII waving Swedish flags. I don't dream back to the Swedish Empire and I don't defend any of the awful things done in the Swedish name. But thank you for proving my point. Sweden was a nation of war in the past, today it's the opposite. Things change, people change, societies change. If this offends you in any way, I don't really know what to say.
The final things you say in your rant is really... weird. I don't know what to say to any of that. Except this. We are not forcing our views to you or anyone else, I don't expect our policies of immigration will reach the US for quite a while still, so I think you're safe for now. And if you think that tolerance is the dynamite for conflict, then I just rest my case.
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