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Old 06-21-2015, 01:05 AM
 
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Not true. Much of Russia isn't ethnic Russian, so if that were truly the worldview in Russia ("ethnicity determines nationhood") then much of Russia would be broken up into independent countries (or at least semi-autonomous republics) based on ethnicity.

Russian ethnicity has nothing to do with nationhood, or national boundaries.
Have no idea what you are talking about, sorry.
Why would Russia "be broken up into independent countries?"

 
Old 06-21-2015, 02:03 AM
 
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Not true. Much of Russia isn't ethnic Russian, so if that were truly the worldview in Russia ("ethnicity determines nationhood") then much of Russia would be broken up into independent countries (or at least semi-autonomous republics) based on ethnicity.

Russian ethnicity has nothing to do with nationhood, or national boundaries.
Russian ethnicity are not homogeneous. Russia is an union of tribes from beginning of the existence of single country (with the arrival of Rurik over 1000 years ago). Russian ethnos - a set of Slavs tribes (Vyatichi, Krivichi, Northerners, Polans, Drevlians etc.) and Finno-Ugric tribes (Merya, Muroma, Meschera, Ves', Chud', etc.), which are now lost their self-names and are called simply Russian. This process is still ongoing. Therefore, the color of the skin varies in a very wide range from pale white to dusky hues.

The word "Rus" most likely Swedish word. "Rus" is the name of Rurik squad. Most likely it was a Swedish squad (or squad Baltic Slavs). Gradually, the name "Rus" spread to all the tribes that were part of new union. This happened because the Rurik's squad quickly assimilated.
 
Old 06-21-2015, 06:44 AM
 
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I think northeastern Europeans like Balts and northern Russians are. They're largely of Finnic descent, so they look more like Swedes than like say, Romanians.
If 90% of Finns are decendants from a couple of thousand individuals, I doubt there would be many people outside Finland of Finnish descent.
 
Old 06-21-2015, 06:57 AM
 
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Russian ethnicity are not homogeneous. Russia is an union of tribes from beginning of the existence of single country (with the arrival of Rurik over 1000 years ago). Russian ethnos - a set of Slavs tribes (Vyatichi, Krivichi, Northerners, Polans, Drevlians etc.) and Finno-Ugric tribes (Merya, Muroma, Meschera, Ves', Chud', etc.), which are now lost their self-names and are called simply Russian. This process is still ongoing. Therefore, the color of the skin varies in a very wide range from pale white to dusky hues.

The word "Rus" most likely Swedish word. "Rus" is the name of Rurik squad. Most likely it was a Swedish squad (or squad Baltic Slavs). Gradually, the name "Rus" spread to all the tribes that were part of new union. This happened because the Rurik's squad quickly assimilated.
Maksim what about Belarus is that considered eastern slav or is it different?
 
Old 06-21-2015, 07:02 AM
 
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The word "Rus" most likely Swedish word. "Rus" is the name of Rurik squad. Most likely it was a Swedish squad (or squad Baltic Slavs). Gradually, the name "Rus" spread to all the tribes that were part of new union. This happened because the Rurik's squad quickly assimilated.
Rus = folket som ror. (The people who oar.) The Swedes.
 
Old 06-21-2015, 08:11 AM
 
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Maksim what about Belarus is that considered eastern slav or is it different?
Russian, Ukrainians and Belarusians is uniquely eastern Slavs. This is the most kindred peoples. The separation was due to the influence of Poland (Rzeczpospolita), Lithuania (Grand Duchy of Lithuania) and Mongol invasion of Rus'.
 
Old 06-21-2015, 08:13 AM
 
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Rus = folket som ror. (The people who oar.) The Swedes.
This is one of hypotheses. Perhaps "Rus" was self-name some tribe.
 
Old 06-21-2015, 08:21 AM
 
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I studied that the Rus were varenguen, vikings, that founded Kiev. I know that Carolingians sent an embassy and described them as "swedes", but at that time those lands were quite unknown for the west..much better known for Bizantium. In those years, all the area was called hyperboreum and some believed that the earth ended there.
Most likely they are not founded, but captured. Slavic tribe Polans lived there. Kiev and Novgorod (Novgorod The Great) is key points of the transport route from the Varangians to the Greeks. The Scandinavians have established control over this transport route. But they intermarried with local Slavic and Finno-Ugric tribes quickly.

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Old 06-21-2015, 08:24 AM
 
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This is one of hypotheses. Perhaps "Rus" was self-name some tribe.
Yes, but the tribe was Swedish, as Sweden is Ruotsi in Finnish. Russia is Venäjä in Finnish, meaning and from the Wends, Weneds (a general Germanic term for Slavs in the Baltic region).
 
Old 06-21-2015, 08:30 AM
 
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By the way, Novgorod land were not included in the "Rus" in the first centuries of existence of the state. Rus it was only Kiev land. It became known from the analysis of birch-bark letters. But gradually this name spread on the whole territory of the ancient state.
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