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Then what do you get if someone did a Bachelor education on a university? A person that has a scientific, or theoretical approach to things, but only on a middle management level? (were one needs to be pragmatic).
Or did they change the first three years of education in University to a more pragmatic system, to give someone a more "hands on" approach?
I do not know. Neither do employers. Which is what makes the degree unsuccessful at the marketplace.
The difference between a Bachelor and a Master was always, that the Bachelor school produces the pragmatic people, the managers on the work floor (middle management) and the Masters produced the more scientific people, with a more theoretical approach, the helicopter view (upper management) or the highly specialized experts, right? That is the way I was told in school.
Wouldn't it make sense to operate masters programs that provide some hands-on opportunities to conduct research projects then?
In some contexts, offering taught masters make sense but in other contexts, a research masters would be preferrable. UK and Russia both split masters along these lines.
Now, I understand that not everyone earns a masters to do research afterward. Hence why taught masters exist.
The primary masters-level flaw with the Dutch system as described here by HockeyAndRugby is that there fields requiring masters-level university education for employment where the jobs use skillsets that are best acquired in a research context. In which case it makes sense to offer both taught masters and research masters in some fields.
Perhaps some taught masters (I suspect some of these masters are in the hard sciences) actually do provide some token opportunity to do research, usually some sort of capstone project, just that these are too short for masters students to make contributions significant enough to be published in a scientific journal. Or is it really at the PhD stage where Dutch students actually start learning the ropes of research?
Then again, Canada and Russia are among the countries where masters students are most likely to be published prior to graduation.
The primary masters-level flaw with the Dutch system as described here by HockeyAndRugby is that there fields requiring masters-level university education for employment where the jobs use skillsets that are best acquired in a research context. In which case it makes sense to offer both taught masters and research masters in some fields.
Do me and all of us a favor. If you do not now our system, do not tell me or anyone what is wrong with that system.
We had a good system, that was not really undestood outside of Holland (i.e. the US), but neither was the German system. Or the Swedish system, or any other European system. Now we have changed our system, but still not made it understandeable. Now nobody understands it, not the Dutch, nor the other countries.
In Holland, if you want to do research, you get a Ph.D. Most, practically all fields, have people entering the workforce after obtaining a master's degree. As much as professors would like it, a master s degree is not about research.
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The other question is maybe there are more Europeans taking master's because the tuition is much lower to get these degrees? In the US, there are so many who have so much student debt as the university costs are so high.
France has both a research stream and a taught stream at the masters level if it made sense for a given field to do so. The research stream usually includes a semester-long research project.
Are there countries other than France, UK and Germany where there are research masters in addition to taught masters?
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