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Old 03-09-2020, 04:51 PM
 
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The Coronavirus has hit Italy extremely hard. Now the mandatory quarantines which were limited to some parts of the North like Lombardy are nationwide.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51810673
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Old 03-09-2020, 06:34 PM
 
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It looks like France/Germany/Spain/Switzerland are next. What a mess.
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Old 03-11-2020, 03:01 PM
 
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Judging by what Russians are reporting from Italy, the death cases are mostly among the older folks, with 5% of younger population, plus 45 infected children.
But I still wonder, whether this high mortality rate is only the result of the age group ( since Italian population has high percentage of older people overall,) or is it some particularly virulent strand they've got?
Same question with Iran ( where it's difficult to get the data). What about THEIR high mortality rate?
THEIR population overall is very young.

So again - is it a question of a particular strand, OR: there is another variable is yet in place again - certain ethnic groups are hit harder than other?

I saw a man in his early thirties another day, talking from his hospital bed somewhere in New-York. He was saying that he had NO underlying conditions, yet there he was, on the ventilator, with "half of his lungs gone."
And yet again he was of Asian descend.


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Old 03-11-2020, 03:38 PM
 
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To be honest, I think no one knows. Several of the most recent cases here have been in people just returned from the US. Which did not seem to have been badly affected. So many unknown factors.
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Old 03-11-2020, 03:38 PM
 
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Judging by what Russians are reporting from Italy, the death cases are mostly among the older folks, with 5% of younger population, plus 45 infected children.
But I still wonder, whether this high mortality rate is only the result of the age group ( since Italian population has high percentage of older people overall,) or is it some particularly virulent strand they've got?
Same question with Iran ( where it's difficult to get the data). What about THEIR high mortality rate?
THEIR population overall is very young.

So again - is it a question of a particular strand, OR: there is another variable is yet in place again - certain ethnic groups are hit harder than other?

I saw a man in his early thirties another day, talking from his hospital bed somewhere in New-York. He was saying that he had NO underlying conditions, yet there he was, on the ventilator, with "half of his lungs gone."
And yet again he was of Asian descend.


BTW the 3% or whatever average death rate is based on the premise that people in severe conditions can be hospitalized.
In Italy and Wuhan, it is is/was clearly not the case. I am afraid it will happen in the US too.
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Old 03-11-2020, 06:26 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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BTW the 3% or whatever average death rate is based on the premise that people in severe conditions can be hospitalized.

In Italy and Wuhan, it is is/was clearly not the case. I am afraid it will happen in the US too.
^^Yes it surely will, especially with the current U.S. administration being so unprepared for this global pandemic (WHO announced today that COVID-19 has reached Global Pandemic status.) Many of our people will die because of the "guy with a hunch" that this deadly virus is likely to go away in April, similar to the seasonal flu.

The number of vitally needed test kits were not made available by the government, and still the number of kits are not remotely what we need in this country.
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Old 03-12-2020, 12:39 AM
 
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I've been following this guy for over a month already, and judging by what he is reporting on Italy - yes, he thinks that they are having some specific strand, which is worse than anywhere else; so it's more than just "ageing population" as a source of a major problem for Italy.
From approximately 6:10, when he presents the accounts of people there ( how bad things really are, with their whole health care system being overrun by this crisis, ) it kinda gives an explanation why exactly this virus is so dangerous, because of the speed it goes around and amount of people it gets on its way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4N09qsMdPQ
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Old 03-12-2020, 02:23 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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I've been following this guy for over a month already, and judging by what he is reporting on Italy - yes, he thinks that they are having some specific strand, which is worse than anywhere else; so it's more than just "ageing population" as a source of a major problem for Italy.
From approximately 6:10, when he presents the accounts of people there ( how bad things really are, with their whole health care system being overrun by this crisis, ) it kinda gives an explanation why exactly this virus is so dangerous, because of the speed it goes around and amount of people it gets on its way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4N09qsMdPQ
I’ve been watching him too, very informative guy.
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Old 03-12-2020, 03:42 AM
 
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Two things:


1) one Italian out of 4 is over 65 of age. So yeah, this is a major stress compared to younger countries.



2) Italy has about 3 hospital beds for every 1,000 inhabitants. In comparison, Germany has 8. The current system is saturated and in some cases they have to select who will be cured. This sounds terrible but this is the result of decades of policies who have cut budgets for health.



Also Northern Italy is super dense, hence the easy spread out of the disease. Hopefully the quarantine will work. Apparently it is starting to work in China too.
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Old 03-12-2020, 04:03 AM
 
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Two things:


1) one Italian out of 4 is over 65 of age. So yeah, this is a major stress compared to younger countries.


2) Italy has about 3 hospital beds for every 1,000 inhabitants. In comparison, Germany has 8. The current system is saturated and in some cases they have to select who will be cured. This sounds terrible but this is the result of decades of policies who have cut budgets for health.


Also Northern Italy is super dense, hence the easy spread out of the disease. Hopefully the quarantine will work. Apparently it is starting to work in China too.
I wish you good health and that the full quarantine will work.


I know this is not the time to argue, but I lived and worked in Lombardia and paid taxes to Italy in the early years of my adult life, and I feel strongly about this. Some 25-30 years ago, at the cusp of globalization, Italians made a very conscious fiscal policy decision to protect older generations which, whether consciously or as an unintended consequence, has come at the expense of younger generations, a significant swathe of whom has not experienced an environment in which they can flourish.

Where are the budget resources supposed to come from if, for three generations by now, the most energetic are not given the best chance possible to reach full potential right there at home?

A good number of those young energetic people went to countries like Germany where they flourish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBt_mtaU6rs

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