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Old 01-02-2020, 03:47 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Some actual science: people with sever liver or kidney failure (can't handle protein) are often put on 40gm protein diets. That's the bare minimum to keep a sedentary person healthy enough to survive. A 60 gm protein diet is much better for us-- it gives us a little "cushion" for times of stress. More protein is needed to keep our immune systems working well to recover from infection or injury...And, remember that weightlifting is basically a process of injuring muscle so that it grows back thicker-- just like the process of developing callouses.


We can't store extra protein. You either use the amino acids you eat each day, or they are turned into sugar. To build muscle, one must have an adequate intake of that protein above & beyond the basic 60 gm for basic life processes.


Physically active workers or athletes need in the neighborhood of 80-100 gm prot/d. "Serious" bodybuilders trying to bulk up may need up to 120gm. probably nobody needs more than that...For reference, 6oz of beef provides 45-50 gm.


It's difficult to evaluate supplements, whether it's protein, amphetamines, anabolic steroids, GH, etc) because there's such a strong placebo effect in using those things.
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Old 01-02-2020, 06:30 AM
 
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Some actual science: people with sever liver or kidney failure (can't handle protein) are often put on 40gm protein diets. That's the bare minimum to keep a sedentary person healthy enough to survive. A 60 gm protein diet is much better for us-- it gives us a little "cushion" for times of stress. More protein is needed to keep our immune systems working well to recover from infection or injury...And, remember that weightlifting is basically a process of injuring muscle so that it grows back thicker-- just like the process of developing callouses.


We can't store extra protein. You either use the amino acids you eat each day, or they are turned into sugar. To build muscle, one must have an adequate intake of that protein above & beyond the basic 60 gm for basic life processes.


Physically active workers or athletes need in the neighborhood of 80-100 gm prot/d. "Serious" bodybuilders trying to bulk up may need up to 120gm. probably nobody needs more than that...For reference, 6oz of beef provides 45-50 gm.


It's difficult to evaluate supplements, whether it's protein, amphetamines, anabolic steroids, GH, etc) because there's such a strong placebo effect in using those things.
Yep you are right on. This is what the science says.
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Old 01-02-2020, 07:48 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Yep you are right on. This is what the science says.

Thanks, but I'm never quite sure when I see that symbol if that's a thumb or another finger sticking up
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Old 01-03-2020, 06:41 AM
 
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The myth of animal protein being superior to other forms of protein including plant protein, has been properly challenged and debunked on another thread.
It's not a myth. Here is the scientific evidence showing animal proteins are superior as far as providing the HIGHEST quality.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905294/


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...able/table001/

Many of the worlds leading researchers agree that most vegan sources of protein do NOT fit the definition of high quality protein.
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Old 01-03-2020, 01:34 PM
 
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The idea that no one needs more than 120 grams of protein per day is pretty laughable. Protein needs vary based on body weight and activity level.
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