[The b8nk]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Fairly compelling evidence...

Report: 64% of Florida job openings pay less than living wage | TBO.com, The Tampa Tribune and The Tampa Times

Yea this was a huge discussion a few weeks ago and those guys know it, thats why I didnt bother digging up the old thread or article. LOL but thanks!

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by The b8nk

What kind of idiot compares San Francisco to Melbourne Fl?

One interested in owning a nice house near the water with reasonable COL?

What kind of idiot continues to post rubbish in the FL forum instead of focusing on getting out of a state he doesn't like?

I assume you still live here, because if you don't, then your posts here are beyond pathetic.

[The Villages Guy]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Fairly compelling evidence...

Report: 64% of Florida job openings pay less than living wage | TBO.com, The Tampa Tribune and The Tampa Times

LOL! Look at what some source calls a "living wage". That living wage goes pretty far here in FL and they list it higher than the national average. Talk about trying to spin numbers.

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Fairly compelling evidence...

Report: 64% of Florida job openings pay less than living wage | TBO.com, The Tampa Tribune and The Tampa Times

Hardly a FL-only issue

The low wage jobs explosion - Apr. 28, 2014

Among the fastest-growing jobs: Food services, home health care and retail -- all of which pay relatively little.

Better paying blue-collar industries, such as construction and manufacturing, have not recovered to their employment levels before the recession.

Lower wage industries accounted for 44% of employment growth since employment hit bottom in February 2010, the group found.

Going back to the start of the recession six years ago, the nation has added 1.85 million jobs in low-wage industries, but mid-wage and higher-wage industries have shed nearly 1 million positions each.

[Spring Hillian]

I wonder why a company would limit their possibilities for growth by pinching the pennies on labor.
It would make more sense to get experienced talent in at the onset to ensure a forward motion in the market place. What good are under experienced people to a new company?

Originally Posted by THX 1138

My friend was part of a layoff, the hiring company had recruiters flown here to do interviews at a local hotel..rented conf. room. It happened a few times from what he told me. They were well aware of the news, and knew where to go to get staff. Much of what I was told is on why they recruit from the East coast 1) there is shortage of qualified staff, mainly in part to the high number of STEM start-ups in the SF Bay Area and beyond 2) It's not an employers market there like it is here, not uncommon for companies to poach staff from other companies or competition with lucrative offers or stock options, 3)the flip side, the high COL scares a lot of people who have families from making the move or not moving at all due to your situation.

We will never see that here at all, my friend said he submitted his resume to a start-up in Fort Lauderdale perfectly qualified for the job, maybe too qualified but was never contacted or screened, he said it was because they did not want to pay for experience and education.

[THX 1138]

Originally Posted by chopchop0

Fine... $50K in the space coast working for Grumman or Harris will go MUCH farther than $111K in the bay area.

Until your laid off due to Government contracts being cancelled or budget cuts and there is nobody else around that will hire you, that's the caveat in Florida...although one may find a job, there is nothing to fall back on if you lose it compared to the SF Bay Area, there are ton's of companies and new Start-up's forming all the time. COL is insane there, I agree but all Florida needs is more STEM jobs that pay higher.

Melbourne has a some potential but is very isolated, NG is suppose to be getting the next gen B2 bomber, COL is low there, rents and etc. They just need some culture, stores and etc that are severely lacking and Orlando has more to offer, aside from the beach.

Whether or not all these jobs come to Melbourne is still unclear and from past history, we should not expect things to be as our leaders promise...PB County harped Biotech, Scripps and etc..the taxpayers of PB County funded it and nearly 10 years later there has been any measurable boon to the economy or the plethora of jobs created that where promised.

[THX 1138]

Originally Posted by Spring Hillian

I wonder why a company would limit their possibilities for growth by pinching the pennies on labor.
It would make more sense to get experienced talent in at the onset to ensure a forward motion in the market place. What good are under experienced people to a new company?

No competition in the local labor pool from other companies = lower wages, less fear that employees will leave and a take or leave it attitude. That's South Florida, I heard a lot of stories from people who worked in STEM and their experiences with companies here, most have been negative.

[THX 1138]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Fairly compelling evidence...

Report: 64% of Florida job openings pay less than living wage | TBO.com, The Tampa Tribune and The Tampa Times

Probably even worse in South Florida...in terms of being paid a living wage.

[Spring Hillian]

do you think the great recession had anything to do with the economic losses?

Originally Posted by THX 1138

Until your laid off due to Government contracts being cancelled or budget cuts and there is nobody else around that will hire you, that's the caveat in Florida...although one may find a job, there is nothing to fall back on if you lose it compared to the SF Bay Area, there are ton's of companies and new Start-up's forming all the time. COL is insane there, I agree but all Florida needs is more STEM jobs that pay higher.

Melbourne has a some potential but is very isolated, NG is suppose to be getting the next gen B2 bomber, COL is low there, rents and etc. They just need some culture, stores and etc that are severely lacking and Orlando has more to offer, aside from the beach.

Whether or not all these jobs come to Melbourne is still unclear and from past history, we should not expect things to be as our leaders promise...PB County harped Biotech, Scripps and etc..the taxpayers of PB County funded it and nearly 10 years later there has been any measurable boon to the economy or the plethora of jobs created that where promised.

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by PriusH8r

LOL! Look at what some source calls a "living wage". That living wage goes pretty far here in FL and they list it higher than the national average. Talk about trying to spin numbers.

If one owns a home perhaps but try renting, owning a car and paying a litany of other bills on a job that pays around $17 per hour. Average rental rates in Orlando and Tampa for example are around $900 a month, with less expensive options certainly, but not pleasant places largely if below $750 in terms of potential neighbors and conditions of said apartment. Rental rates are disproportionate in much of the state due to increased demand from those thrown out of the real estate market due to foreclosures, increasing population and because so many can't afford homeownership due to low wages. $17 an hour at full time (if lucky) is $680 a week before taxes, which in most instances would equal closer to $535 per week. Most financial experts would advise against spending more than 25% of one's net salary on housing, and many rental communities base "qualification" on those standards. The cost of living in Florida is not what it used to be and if one thinks an average take home salary of $2000 a month (24K per year) is some kind of great deal would say they're living in the past or have set a pretty low bar in terms of living standards.