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Old 10-24-2018, 03:16 AM
 
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As reported repeatedly in this thread, Harold Wanless, chairman of the Univ. of Miami's geological sciences department, worries that accelerating Greenland ice melt will cause massively greater sea level rise than now anticipated. Here's a National Geographic article discussing the research underway in an attempt to quantify the extent and rate of the Greenland ice melt.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e....testname=none

What struck me immensely was the lack of knowledge about what would be expected in the event of an "abrupt climate change," such as could be unleashed by initiation of a methane vicious feedback loop. Scientists now warn about the possibility of negative feedback loops accelerating the impact of man-made climate change, but this possibility is rarely mentioned by the media, and never by our politicians.

 
Old 10-24-2018, 03:32 AM
 
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Default Article examines how and why red tide has become more severe and persistent

This commentary doesn't even mention the impact of warmer oceans on toxic algal blooms, but focuses on the increase in water pollution and environmental impacts during Rick Scott's administration, such as severe environmental degradation in the Florida Bay in 2016. The story reports that the blooms are much less seasonal than in the past and more severe. The article notes that even Florida's famous freshwater springs now are experiencing toxic algal blooms, and excess nutrients also are polluting Florida's aquifers.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opin...017-story.html

Of course Scott, and several posters in this thread, claim that the water pollution is a federal problem, with a federal fix. In other words, increases in nutrient levels, whether from agricultural sources or septic tanks, is of little matter, according to Scott and his supporters.

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Old 10-24-2018, 03:32 AM
 
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Left-wing’s asnwer to this clusterfck? Centralize even more power. More iron-fist.
We've seen plenty of what right wing red tide Rick Scott has done for Florida's environment. Basically ignore science,, ignore the problem and make money through ownership of entities doing business with the state

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Old 10-24-2018, 04:43 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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We've seen plenty of right wing Rick Scott has done for Florida's environment. Basically ignore science,, ignore the problem and make money through ownership of entities doing business with the state
That's why county or town Govt should not be subservient to State or Federal Govts. As someone pointed out, it will take at least 2 years to get the funding, plus another decade to clean this up. That's too long.

If County Govts had set up, let's say Lake Authority, just like a Transit Authority, this Authority would start work right away, and start lawsuits at the same time. Raise money via bonds or even special levies, put it out to bid, and start work.

As is, there are no repercussions for Feds or State to mis-manage a natural resource. No wonder these things will keep happening.


And residents have absolutely no recourse. They can't do anything. Why not? Ballotbox is just one avenue, but it is no way enough.
 
Old 10-24-2018, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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President Trump is trying to help...

Trump signs water projects bill; 1 aimed at Fla. toxic algae | News | mysuncoast.com
 
Old 10-24-2018, 09:48 AM
 
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How does trump gutting the EPA and trying to open waters to oil drilling help Florida?

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion...531-story.html

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/t...-warns-9608031
 
Old 10-24-2018, 10:18 AM
 
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Default Carbon budget -- how a leading climate scientist evaluates man-made climate change; insuring FL in the future???

Michael Mann, Director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University, explains in this interview the science of hurricane intensification, and how it applied to Hurricane Michael and will result in even more intense future hurricanes if man-made climate change is not taken seriously immediately. He also explains his opinion of why the recently released U.N. climate change report was, once again, too conservative.

One of Mann's current areas of research is the impact of climate change on hurricanes.

https://www.loe.org/shows/segments.h...MzwGWuYlzzfc9Q

Note that Hurricane Michael was an example of "rapid intensification," from Category 1 to Category 4 in 24 hours. Mann explains that for every degree F. of ocean warming, maximum storm wind speeds intensify by 7 percent, and that the DESTRUCTIVE POWER OF A STORM GOES TO THE THIRD POWER OF THE WIND SPEED. Shouldn't this be taught to every high school student in Florida to make them understand why a Category 4 or 5 hurricane is a much greater threat to life and property than a Category 3 hurricane???

Why aren't Floridians saying in mass that it's imperative that our society and economy transition away from fossil fuels ASAP? Are the prospects of accelerating inundation, persistent toxic algal blooms, more intense hurricanes and marine life eradication not sufficient worries to demand action? Mann estimates that Hurricane Michael was twice as destructive as it would have been in the absence of ocean warming associated with man-made climate change.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_E._Mann

Meanwhile, scientists mull the need for a Category 6 hurricane classification.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate...n-report-says/

If a Category 6 hurricane were to strike Miami in a few decades, when sea levels already are higher, would man-made climate change deniers, if any are left, then admit their folly and the great harm their condemnation of climate change scientists had inflicted on Florida and humanity in general?

The Gulf waters that Hurricane Michael crossed were reportedly 4 degrees F. above normal.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...enario/572671/

Has anybody ever asked man-made climate change deniers Mario Rubio, Rick Scott, or Ron DeSantis, let alone Donald Trump, about any of this???

A quick review of Mario Rubio's Senate website is somewhat unique in that no issue page is readily available, let alone any discussion of environmental issues. If elected, Rick Scott could be expected to follow a similar "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" approach to the environment, if he doesn't become an overt climate change denier like Jim Inhofe, the current chairman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Inhofe certainly would garner the continued support of both Rubio and Scott, an absolutely amazing political position for senators from Florida, a state at ground zero for the impacts of man-made climate change and the resulting environmental degradation.

https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Inhofe

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Old 10-24-2018, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Making America Green Again! Way to go President Trump. $6,000,000,000 for water clean-up nationwide, and $1,300,000,000 for Everglades and Lake O Resevoir here in Florida.

Voters are taking note of this. Nice timing too just 13 days before major elections. This will definitely sway some environmentally aware voters towards Conservative candidates. It could change the outcome of a few very close races.
 
Old 10-24-2018, 12:06 PM
 
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Making America Green Again! Way to go President Trump. $6,000,000,000 for water clean-up nationwide, and $1,300,000,000 for Everglades and Lake O Resevoir here in Florida.

Voters are taking note of this. Nice timing too just 13 days before major elections. This will definitely sway some environmentally aware voters towards Conservative candidates. It could change the outcome of a few very close races.
Political gimmick. NO FUNDING.

https://www.enr.com/articles/45685-t...corps-projects

At the same time, Trump ordered across-the-board cuts to federal spending due to his "tax reform" give-aways to himself (20 percent income deduction for most pass-through entities, controversially including real estate firms), the extended Trump family, other real estate investors, and his one-percenter supporters. So we're slashing spending for the FBI, even in the face of increasing cyber attacks from Russia, China, and Iran. Congress refuses to fund infrastructure, even to upgrade the interstate highway system, and you believe that they are going to fund a project for water infrastructure which they see as a local responsibility, or give over 20 percent of such an appropriation to just Florida??? Good one. The Chief Snake Oil Salesman got you again!

https://taxfoundation.org/reforming-...eduction-199a/

https://sctaxlawyers.net/the-new-20-...wners-claim-it

Trump and several Republican senators benefited from a last minute change in the tax reform bill to permit eligibility for the pass through deduction for real estate businesses even if they have no employees!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.82ac1e82cc50

https://www.govexec.com/management/2...agency/152113/

Trumpies just keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Too bad they're poisoning all of us in the process.

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Old 10-24-2018, 12:27 PM
 
Location: In Miami but, Inside the Resistance !!
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Trump and the Clean Up ... His Clean Up Act for 2 yrs has been ERASING all the Great Programs and Alliances Obama created...Him and his worst half all they have done is copy cat the Obamas messages and their Ideas ....

He lives and POLLUTES in W Palm, yet him and Scott NEVER did a thing for the Lake and AGAINST BIG $ugar.

They are Doomed, Dick without a Job the night of November 6 and Trumpo in the same boat and the Pink Slip in under 2 more years.

If You Mess with, Florida, Fix it, if not., we will fix you !!!
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