[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

...you mean in mid-Jan when the World Health Organization told the entire world it was not contagious

When no one in the world had seen it outside of China...had to rely on what China said...and China was lying through their teeth

How about a link from a primary source (such as the WHO) substantiating this likely preposterously false statement?

As a simple search would have shown, the WHO issued its FIRST situation report on Jan. 21, when the pandemic was in its earliest stages with less than 300 cases reported globally.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...rsn=20a99c10_4

Clearly, the WHO was well aware that this disease was contagious given the reports of contact tracing, explicitly so in Korea and Japan.

Please provide ANY links in which reputable medical authorities ever said this novel virus was not contagious.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

I'm not in the mood for your stupid games troll......look something up before you waste people's time


Unlike you, I don't post anything that isn't a fact

Jan 14 the WHO told the world it is not contagious......no clear evidence of human to human transmission

...based solely on what lying China told them

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World Health Organization (WHO)
@WHO
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Jan 14
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/12170...ed-evidence%2F

"Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

That is very different from saying it is not contagious, but I think the issue is that WHO should not expect people to have a high degree of literacy and therefore should not be doing statements that are so concise that people may misinterpret such.

BULLS***.....no evidence it's transmissible is no evidence it's contagious

at that time no one had seen this outside of China......China lied their a$$es off to the WHO....and the WHO repeated it

China had it for 2 months at that time.....they knew it was.....and lied

[Arcenal813]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

BULLS***.....no evidence it's transmissible is no evidence it's contagious

at that time no one had seen this outside of China......China lied their a$$es off to the WHO....and the WHO repeated it

China had it for 2 months at that time.....they knew it was.....and lied

Precisely. And it was spreading like wildfire. How else would it spread if not for human-to-human transmission (contagiousness?) They lied to the WHO, and the WHO went on and repeated the lie to the world. Very careless on their part.

[LKJ1988]

Originally Posted by franniejacks

Hurricane season approaches. Can you imagine if people are sent to shelters to ride out the storms? The virus will spread so fast within shelters. Bad time to be in FL this year.

No chance of any canes this year in my area. With record heat and dry weather we won't have to worry as long as the upper level high is locked in place. With a warming planet more bugs like this will get worse over time. Too many peeps by billions on this planet and this is just the start for more to come.

[aax]

What are we going to do if another hurricane hits the island in a couple months and they all try to move up into Orlando again? How is that going to work?

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

BULLS***.....no evidence it's transmissible is no evidence it's contagious

at that time no one had seen this outside of China......China lied their a$$es off to the WHO....and the WHO repeated it

China had it for 2 months at that time.....they knew it was.....and lied

Originally Posted by Arcenal352

Precisely. And it was spreading like wildfire. How else would it spread if not for human-to-human transmission (contagiousness?) They lied to the WHO, and the WHO went on and repeated the lie to the world. Very careless on their part.

You're missing parts of the statement: "Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel"

The assertion I was objecting to wasn't that the Chinese authorities lied--that part is true. The assertion is that the WHO lied and was sowing disinformation. These are not the same thing, and while I don't generally care, I think the issue for me is that sowing mistrust of the WHO is not helpful at this point.

[Corrie22]

If you had followed the WHO's twitter thread....you would know they lied

..they knew it was contagious when they posted that on Jan 14...at the very least and giving them idiot points....they didn't know that it wasn't

[sinatras]

The virus (allegedly) does not like heat and humidity. I fully expect our oppressively brutal weather to knock it dead soon!

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/n...us/2873866001/

[WRnative]

Some persons believe this tweet absolves our nation's leaders from responsibility for failing to mitigate the unprecedented crisis now inflicted on Florida and the U.S.

<<Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China>>

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152?

In this 1/14 tweet, the WHO did NOT say that the virus was NOT contagious. The tweet said that the Chinese authorities in their preliminary investigations said there was no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.

Amazingly, the persons fixated on this tweet ignore how much the perception of the novel coronavirus had changed within 10 days, even though there still were less than 600 confirmed cases reported globally.

China's central government locked down Wuhan and other cities in Hubei province on January 23, after learning provincial authorities reportedly hadn't properly conveyed the severity of the crisis.

<<The World Health Organization (WHO), although stating that it was beyond its own guidelines, commended the move, calling it "unprecedented in public health history".[2] The lockdown in Wuhan set the precedent for similar measures in other Chinese cities. Within hours of the Wuhan lockdown, travel restrictions were also imposed on the nearby cities of Huanggang and Ezhou, and were eventually imposed on all 15 other cities in Hubei, affecting a total of about 57 million people.>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hubei_lockdowns

Here's an excerpt from the WHO Jan. 23 special situation report, when, again, still less than 600 cases had been confirmed globally.

<<Currently, cases infected in China have been exported to the US, Thailand, Japan and Republic of Korea. It is expected that more cases will be exported to other countries, and that further transmission may occur.

The initial source of 2019-nCoV still remains unknown. However, it is clear the growing outbreak is no longer due to ongoing exposures at the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan; as in the last one week, less than 15% of new cases reported having visited Huanan market. There is now more evidence that 2019-nCoV spreads from human- to- human and also across generations of cases. Moreover, family clusters involving persons with no reported travel to Wuhan have been reported from Guangdong Province. There have been very few reports of hospital outbreaks or infections of health care workers, which is a prominent feature of MERS and SARS.

WHO assesses the risk of this event to be very high in China, high at the regional level and high at the global level.>>

So, on Jan. 23, the same date that China began its massive shutdown, the WHO reported that the virus had been exported to the U.S. and that risk of contagion was "high at the global level."

Relatively little was done in all of February in the U.S. to prepare for an epidemic. Most importantly, and especially relative to other nations, efforts to ramp up testing were bungled badly.

Even though the WHO issued a protocol on Jan. 17 from German researchers that would have allowed any U.S. lab to build tests, the Trump administration's FDA blocked private clinics and corporations from developing such tests until Feb. 29.

<<On January 17, WHO published a protocol from German researchers with the instructions necessary for any country to manufacture coronavirus tests.>>

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/healt...cdc/index.html

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...ty-diagnostics

See post 25 here regarding the Cleveland Clinic's testing launch, both in Cleveland at its Port St. Lucie, Stuart, and Westin Krupa Center clinics in Florida. All four CC locations now offer drive-thru testing, although some locations in Florida use outside commercial labs with delayed test results. The CC began internal testing on March 12, less than two weeks after given permission by the FDA.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/ohio...19-ohio-3.html

Now shortages of testing swabs, reagents and other testing supplies have greatly restricted testing capabilities in Florida, Ohio and other states. The swab shortage seems most critical, and over six weeks into this crisis, the federal government still hasn't used its authority to suspend patents and ramp up production of swabs.

<<In an emailed statement on Wednesday night, Florida's COVID-19 Joint Information Center, said the 2,500 kits delivered by IDT "include the necessary components such reagents." These kits allow for up to 625,000 individuals. However they do not include the materials necessary for sample collection such as swabs.

As such, "Governor DeSantis directed (Florida Division of Emergency Management) Director Moskowitz to order 500,000 collection kits through direct federal assistance. Collection kits include all necessary materials for sample collection, including swabs." >>

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/n...ls/2869966001/

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2...shortages.html

See post 31 here about Ohio, where the governor and other public officials have acknowledged that limited testing supplies have crippled that state's abilities to conduct COVID-19 tests.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/ohio...19-ohio-4.html

Given the inability to test, the U.S. has NOT been able to quarantine infected individuals often asymptomatic but identified by contact research. So unlike Korea, Russia and other nations, the U.S. epidemic has mushroomed and the only effective strategy to combat the epidemic and conserve limited hospital treatment capacity is mandatory social distancing policies, increasingly complete shutdowns, that are ravaging the American economy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sures-covid-19

So compared to Korea, the U.S. effort to combat the COVID-19 is an immense disaster.

Now that we've allowed the epidemic to spread at Italian-like speed, we are facing massive shortages for personal protection equipment for first responders and healthcare workers, and even ventilators needed to treat the seriously ill. Some experts estimate that the U.S. death toll will reach the hundreds of thousands if not millions.

Modeling study suggests 18 months of COVID-19 social distancing, much disruption | CIDRAP

We'll have plenty of time to look back in coming months and assess why the U.S. has experienced such a catastrophe, and we'll have a much better idea of the cost of unpreparedness and of immediate, informed, and effective action.