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Old 05-11-2013, 07:43 PM
 
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We were taught in school that meat had to be cooked through. Steak tastes great cooked medium well done and it is not dried out either. If someone is drying it out, then they probably don't know how to cook or they used a cheap cut of meat that needed to be stewed. Chicken should never be eaten if it's pink inside but I guess they don't teach that in school anymore either.

 
Old 05-11-2013, 07:44 PM
 
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fibonacci -

With all due respect, who cares what you think? Paying customers are allowed to have whatever bad taste they want. To me, sugar in a cup of coffee renders it undrinkable. Is somebody who thinks it it improves the taste a "complete dumbass?" Of course not. They like what they like. I don't have to. Just because the coffee is ruined, to me, doesn't mean it is to them, and they can have their food and drink however they like.

I cannot say that I have ever worried that "a chef is laughing at me." Although I don't eat my steak well done, but if I did, I STILL wouldn't worry that "a chef is laughing at me." If I'm eating my meat burned to a crisp, I also likely don't care if it's a piece of crap cut, either...so, oooh, you showed me.

Your toilet paper example is misplaced. That's about somebody wanting a discount that doesn't apply. This is about food preparation preferences. And someone screaming in your face is acting abusively toward you. Someone telling you that they would like their steak cooked through, with no pink, no red, no juices whatsoever is NOT behaving abusively toward you. I never said the customer is always right. I said that someone paying for food to be prepared for them should have the right to specify how they'd like it prepared. It's not ripping you off in any way. It might be bruising your "I know best" ego, if somebody legitimately doesn't care whether or not you know best, they just care about getting food they are paying for made the way they prefer it. But that's really neither here nor there.

You clearly have your own ideas about the role of the person preparing the food, and that's fine, but it doesn't make anybody else a dumbass for having preferences in how the food they have purchased and are paying to have prepared is prepared.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 07:46 PM
 
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fibonacci -

With all due respect, who cares what you think? Paying customers are allowed to have whatever bad taste they want. To me, sugar in a cup of coffee renders it undrinkable. Is somebody who thinks it it improves the taste a "complete dumbass?" Of course not. They like what they like. I don't have to. Just because the coffee is ruined, to me, doesn't mean it is to them, and they can have their food and drink however they like.

I cannot say that I have ever worried that "a chef is laughing at me." Although I don't eat my steak well done, but if I did, I STILL wouldn't worry that "a chef is laughing at me." If I'm eating my meat burned to a crisp, I also likely don't care if it's a piece of crap cut, either...so, oooh, you showed me.

Your toilet paper example is misplaced. That's about somebody wanting a discount that doesn't apply. This is about food preparation preferences. I never said the customer is always right. I said that someone paying for food to be prepared for them should have the right to specify how they'd like it prepared. It's not ripping you off in any way. It might be bruising your "I know best" ego, if somebody legitimately doesn't care whether or not you know best, they just care about getting food they are paying for made the way they prefer it. But that's really neither here nor there.

You clearly have your own ideas about the role of the person preparing the food, and that's fine, but it doesn't make anybody else a dumbass for having preferences in how the food they have purchased and are paying to have prepared is prepared.

And with all this carping, like I said, the customer WILL get served. Just realize anyone that orders a well done steak will absolutely get the worst and oldest cuts of meat.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 07:48 PM
 
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And people who like their steak incinerated? Aren't likely to care. Win-win.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 07:49 PM
 
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And people who like their steak incinerated? Aren't likely to care. Win-win.
True, a sucker is born every minute.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 07:50 PM
 
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And, obviously, this hurts no one.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 08:02 PM
 
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Beat me to it. It's NOT blood!
Well, pass me a big ol' glass of myoglobin, then. Shaken, not stirred.

Yuk! I wouldn't drink it and I won't eat it.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 08:20 PM
 
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And for those uber-talented chefs out there, perhaps it says something about your talent that you cannot cook a steak well done without it tasting like shoe leather. You can overcook a well done steak, you know.
I've been saying that for years. If someone doesn't know how to cook a steak well done and have it be tasty and tender, that person isn't a very good cook.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 08:38 PM
 
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People can order to their preference all they want, and yes they will absolutely get served. That doesn't mean they are right. Well done meat sucks. Period. Just know that in the back, the chefs are either all laughing at the idiots that order well done meats or are pissed off about it and given them the worst pieces of meat they have in stock. That's the way it is.

In bold is a part I would disagree with. They are certainly held in disdain for their lack of a pallate, but chefs, at least head chefs and restaraunteurs love people who order food well done. Food cost is so important, and people ordering incinerated steaks allows a restaraunt to get rid of crappy and/or older cuts that couldn't be given to someone ordering a properly prepared steak.

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Well, pass me a big ol' glass of myoglobin, then. Shaken, not stirred.

Yuk! I wouldn't drink it and I won't eat it.
A properly cooked steak doesn't give off that pool of myoglobin either. You sear and cook your steak to medium rare, properly rest it and then there is absolutely no juice pooled on the plate, but the steak is so much more vastly flavorful and tasty it is not even funny.

Just like some of you fans of shoe leather keep trying to say that a properly prepared well done steak is not tough, a properly cooked medium rare or even bleu steak leaves no juice pooling either.

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I've been saying that for years. If someone doesn't know how to cook a steak well done and have it be tasty and tender, that person isn't a very good cook.
Yes, a properly cooked well done steak is much more tender and tasty than a horrible-home-cooked-incinerated-shoe-leather steak. But it still has not even a tiny portion of the flavor and tenderness of a properly medium rare steak.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 08:42 PM
 
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...Chicken should never be eaten if it's pink inside but I guess they don't teach that in school anymore either.
Who said anything about pink chicken?
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