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but what is full blooded, is that everybody in your family tree being full blooded, what if great, great grandmother had a white husband, that would contaminate the dna tree, so what is full blooded. I don't think it means just indian mama and papa. it be like the royal tree, got to know everybody in it, and mathematical i just don't feel the chance of 100% is good.
but what is full blooded, is that everybody in your family tree being full blooded, what if great, great grandmother had a white husband, that would contaminate the dna tree, so what is full blooded. I don't think it means just indian mama and papa. it be like the royal tree, got to know everybody in it, and mathematical i just don't feel the chance of 100% is good.
If great, great grandmother had a white husband, then one is not full blooded. Full bloods are out there, including on paper (or as far back as the paper trail goes), in oral history, and through genetic DNA testing.
If great, great grandmother had a white husband, then one is not full blooded. Full bloods are out there, including on paper (or as far back as the paper trail goes), in oral history, and through genetic DNA testing.
My next door neighbors are full blooded Navajo. There are 5 people living there and the grandparents come by every once in a while so there are 7 of brownbagg's estimated 10 right there.
I just joined because I wanted to reply to another post that has been closed down. I didn't read all the posts here, but do want to make a comment about being Native American. My grandmother was from San Luis Potosi Mexico. When I was about 10yrs old I asked her what I was. She replied what I thought to be "tu eres puro indio azteca". Which means that I am pure Aztec Indian. Come to find out, that I have Huasteca Indian. And I am not full blood. Maybe spanish in there also. I have 2 older brothers who have more native looking features then me. I have read in this post about whites, hispanics, blacks and so on. I dont like to be refered to as hispanic. I have learned that being Native American and being American Indian are 2 different things. American Indians (to me) is any Nation north of the Mexican border. And Native American (to me) is any Nation in the western hemesphire. So yes, I cosider myself Native American and not American Indian. But as I said earlier, I dont like the term hispanic because that can mean any nationality with a spanish surname (black, white). I know that there are American Indians with spanish surnames. So why cant/wont the american government consider Mexican Indians, Indian? Wish I knew how to post a picture of my grandmother. On the other post that caught my attension was the fact that someone posted that all Indians were black. To me that is just absurd. I guess what I am getting at is, how can I go about getting proof of my Native heritage?
Tribes in the US, were registered, mainly by force onto US tribal rolls and/or an Indian census that was separate from the US population census. Some of these tribes became federal tribes due to treaties with US and tribal nations during colonial the colonial era. Canada also has "status" First Nations though they have a different way of determination.
In the US People with ancestors registered on tribal rolls (in the US) are able to use a pedigree chart to trace linage to a tribal ancestors if they are so able. The US registered by tribe, not by "Indian race." This works if your ancestors was registered with a tribe. There are "some" cases where a tribal ancestor may not have been registered.
The rolls came into play because the Indians in the US were often relocated and placed on reservations and given enrollment numbers and a lineage that is recorded to the "degree of Indian/tribal blood", so there is a lot of politics here and Indian identity can become complicated. Your acceptance into a tribe is based on blood degree.
I don't know how they worked this out with listing Indians in Mexico and listing people as Indian. I think with many Mexicans they don't need proof, you can just look at their face. Remember, the border crossed over them. Remember, California and much of the southwest there were many Indians from from the Mexican area.
In the US, colonials love looking for that phantom Native American ancestor(s). The topic is legendary.
Most Mexicans have more Native American then they realize. In the US, Indians were placed on reservations but in Latin America, it was common to take Indigenous woman as wives. Not in the US, lot's of hostility between Natives and Whites. Unless Mexico recorded their tribes, you may in this case need to rely on family history. Remember again, colonialism killed Indians, not only physically but culturally and many are unable to gather back their culture.
My next door neighbors are full blooded Navajo. There are 5 people living there and the grandparents come by every once in a while so there are 7 of brownbagg's estimated 10 right there.
I think he meant 10% of all self-described native americans
not 10 full blooded native americans left on earth.
Personally I think there's a difference between your DNA and your culture. The latter can be changed as well. If a Native American adopts a child with no Native American DNA but they are raised in that culture where does that fit?
Likewise if I find I have distant Native American ancestry and want to absorb a lot of the culture and learn it and respect it why not identify with it *shrug*.
not sure about now, but historically, at least tribes from the SE United States, like the Creek and Cherokee, counted tribal membership through descent from the maternal line
they had a matriarchal society, so even if you, as in individual were 90% European/White , and even if your mother was too, but she had an ancestor who was a native, then you would be allowed into that tribe, by their own standards.
Even during the Creek War with Andrew Jackson, the Creek tribal leader of the Red-Sticks was only 1/8 native America but 7/8 White/Scotch-Irish
But he had been raised in the tribe because he was descended from a prominent Creek Indian through his mother's line so they saw him as their "family"
tribal relations have nothing to do with race. They are only about descent and genealogy like a Scottish Clan or something
at least historically they were,. But now, tribal memberships and Indian Reservations are more about not only that but the preservation of the Native Americans themselves and their cultures, so blood quantem and genetic make up/racial make up figures into that.
But how tribal membership was counted historically is why you sometimes see people who either just look white or heavily mixed in some recognized tribes today. It's because they count on who you are descended from but for others the blood quantam means more or matter just as much too.
not sure about now, but historically, at least tribes from the SE United States, like the Creek and Cherokee, counted tribal membership through descent from the maternal line
they had a matriarchal society, so even if you, as in individual were 90% European/White , and even if your mother was too, but she had an ancestor who was a native, then you would be allowed into that tribe, by their own standards.
Even during the Creek War with Andrew Jackson, the Creek tribal leader of the Red-Sticks was only 1/8 native America but 7/8 White/Scotch-Irish
But he had been raised in the tribe because he was descended from a prominent Creek Indian through his mother's line so they saw him as their "family"
tribal relations have nothing to do with race. They are only about descent and genealogy like a Scottish Clan or something
at least historically they were,. But now, tribal memberships and Indian Reservations are more about not only that but the preservation of the Native Americans themselves and their cultures, so blood quantem and genetic make up/racial make up figures into that.
But how tribal membership was counted historically is why you sometimes see people who either just look white or heavily mixed in some recognized tribes today. It's because they count on who you are descended from but for others the blood quantam means more or matter just as much too.
True, though even historically it varies between tribe, region, situation, the ability to approve and the willingness to be accepted... Basically it's always been in the eye of the beholder... it's a social construct just like race, not a precise science.
I mean what does "full blooded" even mean... before science it meant whatever the group wanted it to mean and still does to certain groups. To some now it might actually might mean some sort of genetic percentage match to an ethnic dna... but you'd need a baseline for that and even establishing a baseline is hard, just like in any admixture... how much of one ethnicity is in fact a mix of another one.
I have never either and found myself here after a google search. I think it would be fascinating to meet someone who is fullblooded Native American. I am myself 1/4 Arawak indian, but know nothing of my Indian ancestry.
Then how do you know your 1/4 Arawak? The Lokono in South America are the only non-extinct Arawaks. In order to be 1/4 you'd need a full blooded first grandparent, which would make your mother or father HALF. One of your grandparents from Suriname or French Guyana?
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