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The only reason people from the northeast claim DC is because it adds another world class city to their list.
DC has more in common culturally with cities like New York and Philly than it does with the Big 4 southern cities of Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, and Miami. If you are one of those posters that "live and die" for the Mason-Dixon Line approach than this debate won't last long.
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If DC was more like Norfolk then people like you wouldn't care for it. I know living in Philadelphia it becomes important to try to surround yourself with more world class places to cover up your regions blemishes, since location is the only thing going for Philly, but its not going to happen.
I could seriously care less about what world class cities Philly has to be next to in order to have importance as you ridiculously claimed. It's nice to see you weren't hesitant at all to bash Philly in your last sentence.
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Many things can happen. Corrupt governments, lack of employment, lack of resources, not able top retain top attributes such as wealth, knowledge, talent, etc, anti-growth, and more. Dallas is actually in a solid location. It's not like it is Omaha or Kansas City. Houston's location is better. But Dallas will still grow toe to toe with Houston because it has many things going for it as well. Anything less is wishful thinking from Houstonians hoping to be the all around king of Texas. Both Houston and Dallas residents need to come to terms that a main city of the state developing isn't going to happen. Each will have the upper hand over the other in something. But not everything.
A CSA is not a metro. The MSA is a much better guage.
CSA is a metro. The only difference is CSA takes 15%-25% and MSA is over 25%. At 15% the two areas need to agree that they are one CSA and the state has to approve of it, at 25% its automatically a CSA. At 25% MSA's have to be approved and above 25% its automatic.
They have redefined it as recent as last month, now at 15% two areas can be automatically merged to a CSA and no approvals are required. With that said, the bay finally has a chance to become 1 MSA with San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose and because of that merger, Stockton, Salinas, and Modesto will be joining the CSA.
CSA is a metro. The only difference is CSA takes 15%-25% and MSA is over 25%. At 15% the two areas need to agree that they are one CSA and the state has to approve of it, at 25% its automatically a CSA. At 25% MSA's have to be approved and above 25% its automatic.
They have redefined it as recent as last month, now at 15% two areas can be automatically merged to a CSA and no approvals are required. With that said, the bay finally has a chance to become 1 MSA with San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose and because of that merger, Stockton, Salinas, and Modesto will be joining the CSA.
I know how CSA's and MSA's are calculated and I stand by that it is not a metro. That's a combined statistical area. The METROpolitan statistical area gives the true size. What's to stop the entirety of NorCal from calling itself a metro just because they've reached a 15% threshold? I agree that San Francisco-San Jose-and Oakland should be one. But to add Modesto and Stockton is ridiculous.
I know how CSA's and MSA's are calculated and I stand by that it is not a metro.
Your entitled to your opinion
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The METROpolitan statistical area gives the true size.
So you're saying a place like Dallas, Miami, Phily, or even Boston feel larger and are larger than a place like the bay?
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That's a combined statistical area.
Another word to describe CSA is megapolitan area. Not to be confused with a megalopolis, they are distinct.
Hierarchy is city, metro/MSA, megapolitan/CSA, megalopolis, and mega region.
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What's to stop the entirety of NorCal from calling itself a metro just because they've reached a 15% threshold?.
Good question, simple solution. The rest of NorCal will never have the commuters to join the bay. Let's be more realistic here, NorCal is a mega region in the making not a megapolitan/CSA.
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I agree that San Francisco-San Jose-and Oakland should be one.
Hopefully it will happen this time because approvals are no longer needed.
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But to add Modesto and Stockton is ridiculous.
Stockton is exurban area of the bay, Modesto is further down the line, I agree but its becoming the Riverside to the bay just as Stockton is becoming the San Bernardino of the bay.
The country and world continue to evolve, small areas are a thing of the past. With the rise of metropolitans, it made cities a thing of the past, just as the rise of megapolitans is making metropolitans a thing of the past. The world is quickly moving into a state where cities have enormous footprints, for practical purposes. Out in the west, we have embraced it.
DC has more in common culturally with cities like New York and Philly than it does with the Big 4 southern cities of Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, and Miami. If you are one of those posters that "live and die" for the Mason-Dixon Line approach than this debate won't last long.
Listen guy, I don't really care about your mason dixon talk. That's something some of the primitive easterners worry their lives over. In the west we go by official designations and they say DC is in the south.
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I could seriously care less about what world class cities Philly has to be next to in order to have importance as you ridiculously claimed. It's nice to see you weren't hesitant at all to bash Philly in your last sentence.
But that wasn't the question. The question was which of the major cities in the South will join the megacity list. Not take over.
Either way, the answer's still the same for me lol.
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