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Native Americans have absolutely nothing to do with it. That is an asinine argument. The Confederacy was created because of slavery, period. That was the sole purpose for its creation. That has nothing to do with what went on with Native Americans in the 1700's or discrimination issues in the North. It's not about the North having "moral superiority" over the South. The thread is about the Confederate flag. The Confederate flag is the symbol of an entity that was created to keep slavery legal. That's it. Desperate southerners trying to justify displaying (with pride) such a symbol try to assign all kinds of reasons for the creation of the Confederacy, but the facts are the facts: the Confederacy was created for slavery.
No, this is 100% wrong, no matter how many times you repeat it, and you will not be allowed to slide.
The Confederacy was created to protect the economic and political integrity of the Southern states after Northern aggression and intrusion into the internal affairs of sovereign states became too much to swallow. Slavery was just one aspect of an agrarian lifestyle and agricultural economy in the South, which American founding father Thomas Jefferson himself envisioned as the future path for American civilization.
No, this is 100% wrong, no matter how many times you repeat it, and you will not be allowed to slide.
The Confederacy was created to protect the economic and political integrity of the Southern states after Northern aggression and intrusion into the internal affairs of sovereign states became too much to swallow. Slavery was just one aspect of an agrarian lifestyle and agricultural economy in the South, which American founding father Thomas Jefferson himself envisioned as the future path for American civilization.
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By 1860, sectional disagreements between the North and South revolved primarily around the maintenance or expansion of slavery. Historian Drew Gilpin Faust observed that "leaders of the secession movement across the South cited slavery as the most compelling reason for southern independence."
Again, you can throw in a few other reasons to make yourself feel better, but slavery, by far, was the driving force behind the secession of the Confederate states. Any other issues involved were clearly secondary. You can spin it any way you want to, but the facts are the facts.
Slavery was just one aspect of an agrarian lifestyle and agricultural economy in the South, which American founding father Thomas Jefferson himself envisioned as the future path for American civilization.
One wonders why agrarian states like Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan had no urge to rebel. Wait....they didn't have slavery. Hmmm.
One wonders why agrarian states like Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan had no urge to rebel. Wait....they didn't have slavery. Hmmm.
One wonders why agrarian states like Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan had no urge to rebel. Wait....they didn't have slavery. Hmmm.
First off, this line of reasoning is faulty and extremely simplistic. Slavery was not the reason for the Southern fight for independence. It was but one factor in a long line of disrespectful actions, economic and political, from arrogant Northerners toward a part of the nation which was largely unindustrialized and economically delicate. The Midwestern states you mention by and large did not feel alienated by the Northeast. You think just because there are agrarian centers in the states you mention that this is a logical argument? Slavery largely followed the cultivation of the cotton crop which was the most efficient cash crop and kept slaves busy considering the tedious process it encompassed. The South was far and away the leading exporter of cotton, not in the U.S., but the entire world, and produced 65% of America's exports. Why do you think the British and French sympathized with the CSA? You don't seem to understand the cultural, political, and economic reality of the time.
First off, this line of reasoning is faulty and extremely simplistic. Slavery was not the reason for the Southern fight for independence. It was but one factor in a long line of disrespectful actions, economic and political, from arrogant Northerners toward a part of the nation which was largely unindustrialized and economically delicate. The Midwestern states you mention by and large did not feel alienated by the Northeast. You think just because there are agrarian centers in the states you mention that this is a logical argument? Slavery largely followed the cultivation of the cotton crop which was the most efficient cash crop and kept slaves busy considering the tedious process it encompassed. The South was far and away the leading exporter of cotton, not in the U.S., but the entire world, and produced 65% of America's exports. Why do you think the British and French sympathized with the CSA? You don't seem to understand the cultural, political, and economic reality of the time.
LOL, you only reaffirm the stereotype of a southerner bitter about the result of the Civil War. Hilarious...
There are certainly people who display it as a symbol of Southern pride with no intention of racism, but there are also people who do display it with the intent of racism. Either way, I still find it insensitive for someone to display it, even if they don't mean it in a racist way. For instance, I am Hindu, and in Hinduism, the Swastika is a religious symbol that dates back centuries, and it was common to display it on the doorstep or on a wall in the house. However, because of the holocaust and the Nazi's use of the symbol, I and most other Hindus, Buddhists, and Jains living in the western world will not display it out to avoid upsetting and/or offending anyone.
I think it's fine to be proud of your Southern roots, but why display a Confederate Flag while knowing it offends and upsets so many people? If you have some sort of decency or compassion for others, why not just show your pride in a different way?
There are certainly people who display it as a symbol of Southern pride with no intention of racism, but there are also people who do display it with the intent of racism. Either way, I still find it insensitive for someone to display it, even if they don't mean it in a racist way. For instance, I am Hindu, and in Hinduism, the Swastika is a religious symbol that dates back centuries, and it was common to display it on the doorstep or on a wall in the house. However, because of the holocaust and the Nazi's use of the symbol, I and most other Hindus, Buddhists, and Jains living in the western world will not display it out to avoid upsetting and/or offending anyone.
I think it's fine to be proud of your Southern roots, but why display a Confederate Flag while knowing it offends and upsets so many people? If you have some sort of decency or compassion for others, why not just show your pride in a different way?
Just my opinion.
So based on that idea, I could start up a hate group and make loaf bread my symbol. Then it would offend people if anyone bought loaf bread and used it at their home. So stores will need to stop selling loaf bread. Or I could just use the word "is." You better stop using that word becuase it might offend someone.
I am part Cherokee Indian. Andrew Jackson was president and forced my people to move. I am offended that you allow his picture on the $20 bill.
I am just being sarcastic, but I really am part Cherokee. I am just showing how you can take anything and make it offensive to someone. People need to chill out. How long do you have to wait before you can start wearing stuff again that was once offensive and have no one complain?
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