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It's define Pure Southern Ignorance/Arrogance to deny the Fact that Maryland is a Southern State which further proves why most parts of the South do not get much respect from other regions of the US Nation....
DC to me feels more southern even though it's much denser and faster. Has a much more urban feel, yet retains some of the characteristics you'd see in Atlanta perhaps. Bmore to me feels like a smaller version of Philly, which is a prototypical NE city.
Can you please stop trying to claim Maryland as a Southern State? Maryland has always been a Northern State since its founding. Geographically, physically, politically, culturally, etc. northern. Even the northern border is on the same line as Indianapolis, IN, Dayton, OH, Wilmington, DE and Atlantic City, NJ. Why do you think the North should end at Pennsylvania's southern border/Delaware's western border and the South starts at Maryland's northern border?
I'm starting to think that had DC never lost its ethnic European population, its ethnic white population probably would be more similar to Chicago, St. Louis, or Cleveland than say Boston or Philly.
I doubt it. Chicago, St. Louis and Cleveland were all industrial centers. Even today their white populations on a metro level have a different composition from DC's.
Regardless of fast pace or not both cites are southern states.
I have been all over the south. DC and Bmore are not southern period in any way shape or form. Cities like Columbia,Charlotte,Atlanta,Montgomery,Jackson,Bilo xi,Greenville,Raleigh,Jacksonville, are "Southern". Can you please explain your rationale?
Can you please stop trying to claim Maryland as a Southern State? Maryland has always been a Northern State since its founding. Geographically, physically, politically, culturally, etc. northern. Even the northern border is on the same line as Indianapolis, IN, Dayton, OH, Wilmington, DE and Atlantic City, NJ. Why do you think the North should end at Pennsylvania's southern border/Delaware's western border and the South starts at Maryland's northern border?
Well, that is just factually inaccurate. You can argue that Maryland feels "northern" now, but can't argue that it has "always been a Northern State since its founding".
It was a Southern colony along with Virginia, separated from New England by Dutch territory that became the Mid-Atlantic colonies. Maryland was historically tied to the South culturally even after independence. It was a slave state much longer than states to the North, and was still a slave state at the time of the civil war, although about half the black population was freed.
Geographically? It's south of the traditional north and "middle", so that'd be south. It is slightly north of the mid-point of the country in 1776, but that hardly matters.
Physically? Is this different than geographically?
Politically? Since it's founding it's politics have changed. For hundreds of years, Maryland was more politically aligned with the South. During the civil war, Maryland stayed loyal to the Union but the population was very divided in their loyalties.
Culturally? Again, it has changed. But for a long long time there was no question that it was culturally Southern. Since industrialization and the civil war, Maryland has adopted elements of "Northern culture", but it was still a mixed-bag. Baltimore had (and has) similarities to northern cities due to it's industry, but rural Maryland had (and I'd say has) more similarities to the south.
I'm sorry if I am being aggressive, but it's one thing to debate what region a state is in today, it's another to say an absolute falsehood like the bolded sentence. And if you are really unaware why he suggests the southern border of PA and western border of DE as the north/south border, look up the Mason-Dixon line. I don't necessarily think it's the most important border today, but it's not as if he made it up.
The fact is, the North/South divide is a gradient. As a Bostonian, I even see aspects of Philadelphia (which we all agree is "northern") that strike me as Southern. In regards to the OP, I have limited experience in Baltimore but DC definitely feels a mixed bag to me. I spent time in black neighborhoods in NE, and mostly white suburbs in MoCo, and I feel the former was more 'southern' as there were less transplants.
Last edited by Woodchucker; 06-26-2014 at 02:52 PM..
How is it like saying that when both of these cities started out as southern cities and still to this day have subtle southern traits.
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