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I NEVER said Pennsylvania was Midwestern and I never New York was Southern. New York isn't in the least bit Southern. New York is one if the few cities where the African American community has their own unique cultural niche going on. I wouldn't call New York City southern at all.
Catholic is not Southern though. Catholics have traditionally been quite aposed to southern norms going back centuries in fact.
I assume you are saying opposed here. Please give some reference to your statement. It certainly is not correct.
So would you agree with my thread about Louisiana, then?
Lousiana is southern in my opinion. The French culture of the south of the state ingrained a lot of deeply southern traits into itself. An important thing to remember as well is that Louisiana, even its French-catholic south, was very aligned with the confederacy. All parts of Lousiana had a huge slave culture.
I consider Southern Louisiana culture to be a sub-set if Southern, like I consider Appalacia. I don't put them in the same grouping as I do Texas or Louisville, which are places that straddle two different cultures.
Always an interesting poll, but the problem is often that being Southern, Western, and just Texas are not necessarily at odds with each other. I don't mean to criticize the OP and wording, but it probably should have been a poll with "options." That is, Texas is definitely Texas, but when classified regionally -- as a whole -- it belongs to the American South, as in origins, roots, history and culture. It is "western" as in a "frontier state", and "southwestern" as in "western South"...which is something completely different from the "Southwest" of Arizona and New Mexico" which are "southern West."
This topic is and probably always will be, a subject of endless debate/discussion...
I assume you are saying opposed here. Please give some reference to your statement. It certainly is not correct.
German and Irish Catholics were always opposed to many of the cultural norms of the south. Most importantly slavery. And the protestants of the south have since their arrival in the 1600s been critical of Catholicism. It is one of the reasons why English puritans left Europe in the first place. Catholics have been an industrial people in this country ever since they started coming in mass in the 1840s. The South held onto its agricultural economy until it was literally beat out of them.
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Always an interesting poll, but the problem is often that being Southern, Western, and just Texas are not necessarily at odds with each other. I don't mean to criticize the OP and wording, but it probably should have been a poll with "options." That is, Texas is definitely Texas, but when classified regionally -- as a whole -- it belongs to the American South, as in origins, roots, history and culture. It is "western" as in a "frontier state", and "southwestern" as in "western South"...which is something completely different from the "Southwest" of Arizona and New Mexico" which are "southern West."
This topic is and probably always will be, a subject of endless debate/discussion...
Lousiana is southern in my opinion. The French culture of the south of the state ingrained a lot of deeply southern traits into itself. An important thing to remember as well is that Louisiana, even its French-catholic south, was very aligned with the confederacy. All parts of Lousiana had a huge slave culture.
I consider Southern Louisiana culture to be a sub-set if Southern, like I consider Appalacia. I don't put them in the same grouping as I do Texas or Louisville, which are places that straddle two different cultures.
So Catholics are not Southern, only when they are. Gotcha.
So Catholics are not Southern, only when they are. Gotcha.
Catholics have never been a part of the southern history, so no, Catholics are not southern. The Cajuns in southern Louisiana are a small exception.
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