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Old 01-23-2015, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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The evergreen subtropical rain-forests of the South:
http://texasrainforestpreserve.com/rainforest05.jpg
http://texasrainforestpreserve.com/rainforest07.jpg
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http://dicksandy.org/Travel/Georgia/...sland%20SC.jpg
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http://www.naturenookllc.com/wp-cont...oak-forest.jpg
http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_...5172594_tn.jpg
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These pictures depict the area of subtropical evergreen rain forest, or laurel forest, in the South. Such forests can be found all over the coastal region, from as far north as southern coastal Virginia, south to Florida(where they become tropical rain-forests), and west along the Gulf to Texas. These rain-forests are dominated by broad-leaf evergreens such as Live Oak, Southern Magnolia, Bay trees, Laurel trees, Hollies, etc. In addition, lots of palm trees, from palmettos, to tree size, grow wild throughout these forests. These rain forests of the South bear striking similarity to the evergreen rain-forests seen in both Southern China, and Southern Japan, both of which are humid subtropical climates just like the South.


The South also contains the only areas in the CONUS where coconut palms can grow flawlessly outdoors, with the areas in question being the Florida peninsula, and coastal South Texas:
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http://i.pbase.com/o2/38/510838/1/12...oconutPalm.jpg
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Coconuts are also being experimented with on many other areas of the Gulf Coast, such as Galveston Island, the Louisiana Delta (areas like Plaquemines Parish), the southern portions of both Mississippi, and Alabama, and Panhandle Florida. It seems like they can tolerate freezing temps, so far such conditions don't last too long, and are followed by quick warm-ups a few days later. Areas along the Gulf Coast hit the 60-70F range commonly during winter, which provides enough heat for many varieties of tropical/subtropical flora to grow, in spite of the occasional freeze.
Coconut palms are only viable in Florida south of of around Tampa/St. Petes, over to around Melbourne on the east coast. Some can grow further north in good microclimates, but will eventually die from cold events that hit every few years. South Texas around Brownsville and South Padre Island can support Coconut Palms, but they can really struggle, same with Galveston. There is little hope of any Coconut thriving or even establishing along the north Gulf Coast or up the east coast into Georgia and South Carolina, as hard freezes will kill them within a couple years or less.

 
Old 01-23-2015, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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They probably wouldn't date you either so everybody wins! I know what you mean about regional accents by the way. I'm a sucker for a man with a deep Texas drawl but don't much care for many New England accents.
NE accents are painful to listen to.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 11:08 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Coconut palms are only viable in Florida south of of around Tampa/St. Petes, over to around Melbourne on the east coast. Some can grow further north in good microclimates, but will eventually die from cold events that hit every few years. South Texas around Brownsville and South Padre Island can support Coconut Palms, but they can really struggle, same with Galveston. There is little hope of any Coconut thriving or even establishing along the north Gulf Coast or up the east coast into Georgia and South Carolina, as hard freezes will kill them within a couple years or less.
I love the banana plants you see along the coast, though. They may not do as well but they're beautiful.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Wrong on both accounts. All of hip-hop has its roots in the genres of southern funk and soul music. Artists like James Brown and Joe Tex are some of the earliest southern artists that were known to employ cadenced poetry to rhythm. Both men have been called the first "rappers".

And just because you cannot personally relate to or respond to the elements of rap or hip-hop does not mean that you have been given the authority to decide that it is not music. Whether you realize it or not, to even suggest so borders on cultural insensitivity, but that's an entirely different subject. Anyway, I've noticed that most people who don't like hip-hop tend to be people who can't dance and have no true sense of rhythm.
Sorry, every genre has roots in previous musics, but there's no form of music introduced in the 20th Century more easily traceable to a single time and place than hip hop. South BRONX, sure, but rap is a NYC phenomenon that took form in the 70s. No one who has studied popular music is going to argue with that.

NYC during the same time is also as close to the true birthplace of punk as you can get, with at least the first active punk scene (though OH can make a very similar argument). A few years later, No Wave was an entirely NYC thing before it too spread.

NYC was just on fire during the 70s culturally until it was Disney-fied and "cleaned up."
 
Old 01-23-2015, 04:41 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Sorry, every genre has roots in previous musics, but there's no form of music introduced in the 20th Century more easily traceable to a single time and place than hip hop. South BRONX, sure, but rap is a NYC phenomenon that took form in the 70s. No one who has studied popular music is going to argue with that.

NYC during the same time is also as close to the true birthplace of punk as you can get, with at least the first active punk scene (though OH can make a very similar argument). A few years later, No Wave was an entirely NYC thing before it too spread.

NYC was just on fire during the 70s culturally until it was Disney-fied and "cleaned up."
What NYC can take credit for is turntablism and many of the associated traits of their hip-hop culture such as breaking and certain styles of graffiti, etc. Rapping, as it is known today, is proven to have its American roots amongst the blues and funk musicians of the south.

So if someone wanted to say that the south isn't hip-hop, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with them, since what the south does is pretty much its own thing, as has been since the beginning.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Who Cares, USA
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Sorry, every genre has roots in previous musics, but there's no form of music introduced in the 20th Century more easily traceable to a single time and place than hip hop. South BRONX, sure, but rap is a NYC phenomenon that took form in the 70s. No one who has studied popular music is going to argue with that.

NYC during the same time is also as close to the true birthplace of punk as you can get, with at least the first active punk scene (though OH can make a very similar argument). A few years later, No Wave was an entirely NYC thing before it too spread.

NYC was just on fire during the 70s culturally until it was Disney-fied and "cleaned up."
I'm glad you acknowledged Northern Ohio (specifically Cleveland and Akron). That always gets overlooked by the punk revisionists. However, it's debatable as to whether or not NYC can lay claim as the actual "birthplace" of Punk Rock. I think the early CBGB/Max's Kansas City scene in the mid-70's definitely galvanized punk as a movement, but Detroit had a real proto-punk scene happening as far back as 1969. "Punk" just hadn't been codified as a legitimate term for it yet. I'm sure you already know this, so no need to go into details... but as far as any kind of "birthplace" goes... Detroit gets my vote there.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Rapping comes from the Jamaican art of 'toasting' which itself has roots in west Africa. The Jamaican immigrants in the Bronx contributed that to the early hip-hop artists in the early 80s. MCing is a synthesis of Jamaican vocal style and American Hip-hop. period. Jamaicans were also instrumental in DJ technique via dub recording techniques. Also developed in the Bronx.

As far as proto-punk. NYC (Ramones, NY Dolls), Detroit (the Stooges, 'nuff said), and Cleveland (Devo) are it for America.

All late 20th century underground music innovation was based in non-subtropical cities. That's right New York City is not subtropical. :-)
 
Old 01-23-2015, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Who Cares, USA
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As far as proto-punk. NYC (Ramones, NY Dolls), Detroit (the Stooges, 'nuff said), and Cleveland (Devo) are it for America.
Not exactly. Devo were from Akron. Then there was the Modern Lovers from Boston (1972), the Droogs and Zolar X in L.A. (also 1972), and the Flamin' Groovies from San Francisco (all the way back to 1965). Aside from Devo, these bands were basically lone wolves in their respective cities... but they were all playing Punk Rock before it was being called Punk Rock.

There were more than a few other bands that pre-dated the whole NYC CBGB/Max's scene. Detroit also had the MC5, the Up, the Rationals, Death, and the Punks (actual name). Cleveland/Akron had the Electric Eels, Rocket From the Tombs, Rubber City Rebels, the Saucers, Frankenstein, and Pere Ubu.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 10:22 PM
 
Location: LBC
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Not exactly. Devo were from Akron. Then there was the Modern Lovers from Boston (1972), the Droogs and Zolar X in L.A. (also 1972), and the Flamin' Groovies from San Francisco (all the way back to 1965). Aside from Devo, these bands were basically lone wolves in their respective cities... but they were all playing Punk Rock before it was being called Punk Rock.

There were more than a few other bands that pre-dated the whole NYC CBGB/Max's scene. Detroit also had the MC5, the Up, the Rationals, Death, and the Punks (actual name). Cleveland/Akron had the Electric Eels, Rocket From the Tombs, Rubber City Rebels, the Saucers, Frankenstein, and Pere Ubu.

Required viewing: A Band Called Death | Drafthouse Films
 
Old 01-23-2015, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Who Cares, USA
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