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Old 01-01-2018, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Metro Phoenix for instance has many incredible high-amenity suburbs but the city itself is ultra-weak for a city of it's size.

I have Indianapolis shares this distinction also. Indianapolis has a extra-tiny downtown and an even smaller area called the Broad Ripple in the city itself. While Fishers and Carmel have a national reputation as being some of the best suburbs in the country with large nightlife's, amenity-packed downtown's and dense core neighborhoods.

Phoenix itself without a doubt is the weakest core city in the devoloped world for a city of it's size. But the metropolitan area has lots of fantastic 200,000 people suburbs with extremely strong amenities for their size.

Phoenix for instance was just voted by an international read publication of America's top city for fast-food restaurants as most the fine dining takes place in the suburbs while fast-food and gas station hot dogs are very popular in the city itself.

Much of the areas adjacent to downtown Phoenix exception for the North Central Corridor look like this for instance as does much of the city of Phoenix.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4382...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4382...7i13312!8i6656

Compared that to the first-class suburbs in Phoenix.

Scottsdale

https://www.google.com/maps/place/39...4d-111.9261704

https://www.google.com/maps/place/45...eACPoQxB0IJzAA

Tempe

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4247...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4288...7i13312!8i6656

Downtown Phoenix in a million years won't be able to compete with Tempe, Scottsdale, Gilbert or Glendale when it comes to nightlife.

Tempe for instance two huge malls, ASU Main Campus, some of the highest retail sales per-capita in America because Phoenix is so weak on retail.

Scottsdale with Scottsdale Fashion Square and Old Down Scottsdale. The Mayo Clinic is also located there.

Gilbert has the huge San Tan Valley outdoor mall and has a very dense downtown with an unusually high number of restaurants and shops for a city of it's size.

Chandler has a very percentage of Metro Phoenix's office space with highly paid employees, Phoenix Premium Outlets, Chandler Fashion Center among others.

The Cardinals play at University of Phoenix stadium in Glendale and they an ultra-large entertainment complex near the center of the community that Phoenix could only dream of.

Phoenix city proper with 1.6 million people proper lags behind Scottsdale, Gilbert, Chandler and Tempe in it's offerings.

I was just curious if Phoenix is the only large metropolitan area in the country with an incredibly weak core city but with very high amenity suburbs that are far above their weight on amenities.

I have heard Indianapolis is very much like Phoenix with a very, very weak core city that has a rural city but with incredibly strong, urban and amenity packed suburbs like Carmel and Fishers.

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Old 01-02-2018, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Quite a few really. You can start with the cities of large, prosperous metros with core cities which haven't yet turned around economically, like Detroit and Baltimore.
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:04 AM
 
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Detroit.
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:31 AM
 
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Los Angeles
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Old 01-02-2018, 05:27 AM
 
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Orlando is definitely in the running. The city proper has a population of just over 275K, mostly through annexation on it's SE side, and it's downtown "core" accounts for less than 10% of the metro area's jobs. The metro area population registers as around 2.4 million in population spread over 4000 square miles, and actually includes Daytona Beach on the coast (60 miles away) as part of it's sphere of influence...
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Old 01-02-2018, 05:57 AM
 
Location: West Seattle
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Detroit.
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Oakland and Macomb Counties are doing great. Wayne, not so much.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:05 AM
 
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Oakland and Macomb Counties are doing great. Wayne, not so much.
While perhaps fun for you to pick on, it's changing for the good and appears to not be slowing down any...."Downtown Detroit residential occupancy is at 98 percent. One study showed that Detroit should be able to absorb 5,000 units in the first five years after the 2013 bankruptcy. Bedrock Development has challenged that estimate, believing the city could absorb closer to 7,000 units."

https://detroit.curbed.com/2016/3/30...nt-dan-gilbert
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/17/bill...nd-brains.html
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Old 01-02-2018, 07:28 AM
 
Location: MO->MI->CA->TX->MA
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Orange County
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Old 01-02-2018, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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Detroit.
Sure, much of Detroit is still struggling, but DT Detroit and some other core neighbourhoods are booming with multiple residential, commercial and office development, there is construction everywhere and construction has even started on its new tallest, 800ft skyscraper that Dan Gilbert is building. Detroit is coming back in a huge way, and will surprise many over the next decade!
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Old 01-02-2018, 07:56 AM
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30 years ago, most cities were like that. Still, suburbs fare better overall with city revitalization being limited to trendy areas like downtowns.
Detroit may have turned a corner, but it would take decades for it to be anything remotely like it was at its peak.
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