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No ponds or lakes? - Long Island has a lot of ponds, at least 500 of them in an area smaller than Rhode Island.
Maybe 500 recharge basins but 500 ponds? I see Lake Ronk, a few artificial impoundments... Seems like the sandy permeable soil doesn't lend itself to ponds. Cape Cod is sandy too and indisputably loaded with ponds-- not sure why the difference but it's apparent.
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No NE-type town centers? - Long Island has quite a few village downtowns. Oyster Bay, Huntington Village, Northport, Smithtown, Roslyn, Port Jefferson, Babylon Village, Islip hamlet, Bayshore, Sayville, Patchogue, Amityville, Bellport, Farmingdale, etc. are all in the suburban part of Long Island. The East End has even more.
Village downtowns, yes. Babylon has a couple streets lined with stores. Bay Shore has a street lined with stores. You find those kinds of downtowns all over the country. The New England town center like Guilford or Litchfield CT, Lexington or Amherst MA, and many others, with green, early American houses, some churches and civic buildings isn't common on Long Island. Something like it in East Hampton.
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Towns - Yes, some of the Long Island towns have extra large territories, Hempstead and especially the huge Brookhaven. But there are historical reasons for this, for instance a large part of Brookhaven was part of a feudal colonial manor owned by one family into the 1800s.
That's right. Colonial New York was like a feudal colony whereas New England was divided into self-governing towns-- no lords, no manors. Seems pretty different to me. There's nothing like the William Floyd estate in New England where one family had slaves and natives working on a 4,500 acre plantation as if it was South Carolina. And that's just an estate, not the Hardenbergh Patent (2 million acres) or Livingston Manor.
Maybe 500 recharge basins but 500 ponds? I see Lake Ronk, a few artificial impoundments... Seems like the sandy permeable soil doesn't lend itself to ponds. Cape Cod is sandy too and indisputably loaded with ponds-- not sure why the difference but it's apparent.
Village downtowns, yes. Babylon has a couple streets lined with stores. Bay Shore has a street lined with stores. You find those kinds of downtowns all over the country. The New England town center like Guilford or Litchfield CT, Lexington or Amherst MA, and many others, with green, early American houses, some churches and civic buildings isn't common on Long Island. Something like it in East Hampton.
That's right. Colonial New York was like a feudal colony whereas New England was divided into self-governing towns-- no lords, no manors. Seems pretty different to me. There's nothing like the William Floyd estate in New England where one family had slaves and natives working on a 4,500 acre plantation as if it was South Carolina. And that's just an estate, not the Hardenbergh Patent (2 million acres) or Livingston Manor.
New York State Department of Conservation - Often recognized for its excellent saltwater fishing, Long Island also provides the angler with outstanding freshwater fishing opportunities in more than 500 lakes and ponds and over 30 miles of streams.
Village downtowns.....
Long Island, which was mostly settled by the English in the 1600s, has more than its share of white churches and old colonial houses among the suburbs. Most of the older communities have at least one classic white church, my Babylon has two. Even Brooklyn on the far west end has some.
https://huntingtonny.gov/filestorage...Green_Park.pdf Huntington Village green. (Most of the original greens are now called parks). The towns once had commons as well, Jones Beach State Park was originally part of the Hempstead Commons.
Colonial New York - feudal colony - Yes, New York and I think to some extent New Jersey(?), were unique in the northern colonies for the amount of land tied up in feudal manors and even for retired British military and navy officers. Certainly far more then New England. But most of New York was not like that, I did not mean to imply that all New York belonged to wanna be aristocrats.
Another interesting point is that between King and Lovecraft (as well as the enduring legacy of the Salem Witch Trials in addition to one-offs like Krasinski's A Quiet Place, Jackson/Netflix's The Haunting of Hill House, and Dark Shadows), New England's really had an outsized impact on the American Horror genre.
I've only read one of King's novels (It), but he seems to draw off the everyday "evils of New England" his books. The slow reveal that Derry is the real monster, and It is just along for the ride is very rewarding and believable. While I haven't read it, Carrie seems to incorporate a lot of things like the neuroticism we talked about on this thread and cracking under the weight of strict societal expectations.
Being a native of New England, I can tell you that the people do tend to have an attitude of superiority over the rest of the country. I don't know why personally. Just know where not all like that annoying "Cousin from Boston" commercial. Those type of people exist, but they aren't liked much here either.
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