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Are those rents considered to be low for Eastern MA?
Affordable in Eastern MA is like 1800 for a 2BR and 2100 for 3BR and 1600 for 1BR 1300 for a studio. But it depends greatly on where in Eastern MA. Down by New Bedford and Fall River that's very expensive. In Boston and inside I95 (suburban loop up in Boston, I-93 is what goes through the city)/128.
I'm just saying those rents and lower can only be found there. Your not finding that low a price in Cambridge or Milton or Canton.
ANything new even in Lowell is gonna cost more as much as Largo developments MD Allstar is talking about.
Towns are fighitng the new law to build affordable housing tooth and nail.
The degrees to which suburbs are low density and non-urban contrasted with the gateways cities is EXTREME(!!). Without heavily white suburban towns adhering to new multifamily housing minimums from the state, it will get worse. TOwns are fighting the density and telling the state to use the underutilized buildings or vacant buildings in the cities as they always do. THis is why I always cringe when people include all the suburbs in "Boston" they so ultra-low density and monochromatic it's like they live in a different world entirely. Really bears no resemblance and few if any commonalities withthe gateway cities or Boston.
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Rents like this are only readily available in older housing in Malden, Everett, Quincy, Lynn, Stoughton, Brockton, Allston, Hyde Park, and satellite cities like Worcester, Taunton, Lowell, Framingham, Brockton, New Bedford, Lawrence, Providence, Fall River.
Totally different demographics from Largo, MD or Ward 8.
Do Black professionals in Boston choose to live in the more expensive neighborhoods of Boston with new housing stock?
Maybe the lower rents and higher incomes in DC versus higher rents and lower incomes in Boston plays a role in the socio-economic status of the Black people that choose to live in new buildings in neighborhoods east of the Anacostia River in Ward 7, Ward 8, and Prince George's County versus older Boston neighborhoods?
Looking at rents in south Atlanta neighborhoods like Summerhill has similar rents to Ward 7 DC, but Atlanta has way lower median incomes than DC on average which seems to be producing the same issues as other cities with mainly White and Asian people moving into new buildings for the most part versus mainly Black professionals like DC:
Most black professionals in Boston just live in older building in Rox Dot Matt and HP with a few suburbs/inner ring cities already listed.
DC rowhomes are mostly homeownership things. Triple deckers and double decker are mostly renting situations. So there are a lot of them available and in good condition. The one I stayed in while visiting Boston had glass doorknobs, sliding wood doors, modern appliances and new paint job. But it also has d extreme levels interior detail . Creaky steps and no Central Air though.
If you wanted a 2BR for under 2k in a black area you’d be looking at something like this:
Other reality is there aren’t even any apartments available really at any price point in black neighborhoods. Maybe 15 in all of DRM/HP. It forces black lrofessionals to move to place with more apartment like Quincy or Allston.
I do know those with real budgets who are black look to the South End and Downtown.
Most black professionals in Boston just live in older building in Rox Dot Matt and HP with a few suburbs/inner ring cities already listed.
DC rowhomes are mostly homeownership things. Triple deckers and double decker are mostly renting situations. So there are a lot of them available and in good condition. The one I stayed in while visiting Boston had glass doorknobs, sliding wood doors, modern appliances and new paint job. But it also has d extreme levels interior detail . Creaky steps and no Central Air though.
If you wanted a 2BR for under 2k in a black area you’d be looking at something like this:
Other reality is there aren’t even any apartments available really at any price point in black neighborhoods. Maybe 15 in all of DRM/HP. It forces black lrofessionals to move to place with more apartment like Quincy or Allston.
I do know those with real budgets who are black look to the South End and Downtown.
So this is more evidence that I am probably right on my assumption for Black professionals in other cities like Boston?
The two biggest differences between DC and other cities seems to be:
1. Lack of new luxury housing supply in Black neighborhoods
2. Decentralization of Black professionals into popular urban neighborhoods with new acceptable luxury housing stock where they are the minority among other racial groups
Those two factors seem to be the reason DC is different than Atlanta, NYC, Chicago, Boston, Philly etc.
So this is more evidence that I am probably right on my assumption for Black professionals in other cities like Boston?
The two biggest differences between DC and other cities seems to be:
1. Lack of new luxury housing supply in Black neighborhoods
2. Decentralization of Black professionals into popular urban neighborhoods with new acceptable luxury housing stock where they are the minority among other racial groups
Those two factors seem to be the reason DC is different than Atlanta, NYC, Chicago, Boston, Philly etc.
South End section of Boston where you cna find blakc professionals. Long long blakc history there, but definitely subject to serious gentrification/displacement:
So this is more evidence that I am probably right on my assumption for Black professionals in other cities like Boston?
The two biggest differences between DC and other cities seems to be:
1. Lack of new luxury housing supply in Black neighborhoods
2. Decentralization of Black professionals into popular urban neighborhoods with new acceptable luxury housing stock where they are the minority among other racial groups
Those two factors seem to be the reason DC is different than Atlanta, NYC, Chicago, Boston, Philly etc.
Should NYC be thrown in there, given the pretty strong professional presence in Brooklyn? Even in Harlem, there are areas still where black people are not the minority like in Central Harlem.
Should NYC be thrown in there, given the pretty strong professional presence in Brooklyn? Even in Harlem, there are areas still where black people are not the minority like in Central Harlem.
I would say #2 of this list below is clearly true for Black professionals looking at the neighborhood race and income demographics:
1. Lack of new luxury housing supply in Black neighborhoods 2. Decentralization of Black professionals into popular urban neighborhoods with new acceptable luxury housing stock where they are the minority among other racial groups
What we have seen in NYC is that neighborhoods with high Black populations and high single-family home percentages have high incomes, however, neighborhoods with high Black populations and high multi-unit percentages have low incomes.
This is in direct contrast to new luxury multi-unit buildings in Black neighborhoods in DC which are being leased to 90% Black professionals.
Maybe you can provide some on the ground data on Brooklyn and Central Harlem? Are Black professionals dominating the occupancy of new luxury buildings in Central Harlem or Brooklyn? It seems they are decentralized around the city and those Black professionals that choose to move into Harlem or Brooklyn are looking for cheaper rents so they rent older housing stock which explains the demographic shifts happening right now as White and Asian people move into new luxury buildings in Central Harlem and Brooklyn?
But yea the differences you mention are true, more so #2 than #1.
Are you sure #1 isn't true also for Black neighborhoods in Boston?
You mentioned that Black neighborhoods get a lot of push back for density and height in Boston. I think you said the 7-12 story buildings being built in Ward 7 wouldn't be allowed to move forward in Black Boston neighborhoods.
Would Black professionals that choose to live closer to downtown Boston and surrounding neighborhoods have the same options for new buildings with luxury amenities in Black Boston neighborhoods?
Are you sure #1 isn't true also for Black neighborhoods in Boston?
You mentioned that Black neighborhoods get a lot of push back for density and height in Boston. I think you said the 7-12 story buildings being built in Ward 7 wouldn't be allowed to move forward in Black Boston neighborhoods.
Would Black professionals that choose to live closer to downtown Boston and surrounding neighborhoods have the same options for new buildings with luxury amenities in Black Boston neighborhoods?
Ehh yes and no. 1 is true just less than 2. I could give you tons and tons of new housing examples during my lifetime in DRM. So many..idk how many are "luxury or class/A" but theyre sizable apartment buildings.. People simply can't afford those new luxury buildings. They get built but not at 7-12 stories. Theres just a lot of vacant lots still to fill. Would people like nice amenities - sure, who wouldnt?. But there far fewer featureless/shoddy 1960s/70s/80s apartments in Boston than in DC (like...way fewer) so people tend to like the homes they're in.
If newer buildings are built in Boston the labor, permitting, and legal costs due to lack of zoning reform (i.e. delays) make them astronomical in price. Which is why people don't want to see them.
Part of the issue with this is Boston has some extreme income peaks relative to DC. And The heavy industries like BioTech, Tech and Finance really lack Black people compared to Government (which also has a much lower slary ceiling), Military and Cybersecurity
A building plan in Boston sits for 2 years before anything at all happens let alone a shovel touches dirt. Everything in terms of demographic and societal change moves at a snail's pace compared to DC or NYC and usually requires enormous kicking and screaming to get it past the state. ONe of the stressors of Boston is that while it's an extremely fast-paced and very competitive city, the change needed to make life more comfortable happens at a very slow pace. The state as a whole emphasizes "doing it right" over doing it quickly. All the time- that's what is parrroted.
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