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Old 12-21-2021, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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19 states and DC are estimated to have lost population since the 2020 census. There is also an increasing number of states that have an excess of deaths over births.

New Vintage 2021 Population Estimates Available

Top gains:
Idaho 3.4%
Utah 2.0%
Montana 1.8%
Arizona 1.7%
South Carolina 1.4%
Delaware 1.4%
Texas 1.3%
Nevada 1.3%
Florida 1.1%
North Carolina 1.1%

Declines:
Connecticut -0.0%
New Mexico -0.1%
Alaska -0.1%
Kansas -0.1%
Rhode Island -0.2%
Ohio -0.2%
Maryland -0.2%
New Jersey -0.2%
Michigan -0.3%
Pennsylvania -0.3%
Mississippi -0.4%
North Dakota -0.5%
West Virginia -0.6%
Massachusetts -0.6%
Louisiana -0.7%
California -0.8%
Hawaii -0.9%
Illinois -1.1%
New York -1.8%
District of Columbia -2.8%
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Old 12-21-2021, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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I would take these estimates with a grain of salt. The estimates were WAY off for many jurisdictions vs. the reality of the 2020 census. I no longer trust annual census estimates.
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Old 12-21-2021, 08:05 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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California -0.8%

Apparently not counting all the millions of undocumente aliens who are moving into California.
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Old 12-21-2021, 08:18 AM
 
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I would take these estimates with a grain of salt. The estimates were WAY off for many jurisdictions vs. the reality of the 2020 census. I no longer trust annual census estimates.
The census, particularly one done in a pandemic, is not necessarily more accurate or “real”. It’s just a different way of calculating.
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Old 12-21-2021, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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I would take these estimates with a grain of salt. The estimates were WAY off for many jurisdictions vs. the reality of the 2020 census. I no longer trust annual census estimates.
Generally, I would agree with your sentiment, but theoretically, these estimates should be more accurate than usual since they're going by baseline physical counts taken only last year.

The fact so many states have lost population in the last year also comes as no surprise with a dramatic rise in death rates, a significant decline in birth rates, and a complete collapse in immigration.

It will take at least a few years for those trends to normalize once the pandemic substantially subsides.
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Old 12-21-2021, 09:56 AM
 
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The census, particularly one done in a pandemic, is not necessarily more accurate or “real”. It’s just a different way of calculating.
This is worth repeating (again and again).


Both the Census and the estimates have weakenesses. The Census is probably closer to the truth, but it doesn't disprove the other.
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Old 12-21-2021, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Generally, I would agree with your sentiment, but theoretically, these estimates should be more accurate than usual since they're going by baseline physical counts taken only last year.

The fact so many states have lost population in the last year also comes as no surprise with a dramatic rise in death rates, a significant decline in birth rates, and a complete collapse in immigration.

It will take at least a few years for those trends to normalize once the pandemic substantially subsides.
So if annual census estimates are fairly accurate the closer you are to the last official census and then tend to trail off in terms of reliability as the years progress, then maybe we should be like Canada and conduct an official census every five years. The 2019 estimates vs. the 2020 reality were just mind-boggling in many jurisdictions. Were the 2009 estimates likewise terrible vs. the 2010 reality?
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Old 12-21-2021, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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DC down nearly 20k? Yikes.
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Old 12-21-2021, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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DC down nearly 20k? Yikes.
If the general consensus among others is that these census estimates are accurate since they are only one year removed from the official 2020 census, then it stands to reason that many people who were permitted to permanently work remotely decided to flee the DC area. It would be interesting to see where these people moved to over the past year. Did those DC people mostly just move to VA or MD? Did they move to a cheaper area while keeping their DC salaries so they could improve their quality-of-life? I know when I lived in Northern Virginia I was there for work and work alone because I hated Northern Virginia. If I was still living there and was permitted to telework when COVID struck I would have been one of those fleeing the coop for a cheaper area while retaining my high DC area salary.
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Old 12-21-2021, 10:24 AM
 
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So if annual census estimates are fairly accurate the closer you are to the last official census and then tend to trail off in terms of reliability as the years progress, then maybe we should be like Canada and conduct an official census every five years. The 2019 estimates vs. the 2020 reality were just mind-boggling in many jurisdictions. Were the 2009 estimates likewise terrible vs. the 2010 reality?
In some ways, yes. That was the time Atlanta lost 20% of its population from the 2009 estimates to the 2010 census. The fact is the census is needed every 10-years because of redistricting. The estimates are more cost-effective and used for other (less constitutionally-necessary) reasons.
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