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I can't find a list, but here is a manually transcribed ranking from one of the OP's posts. Since I'm the one transcribing the list it has my "personalized" touch as I refuse to recognize San Jose or Riverside as actual independent metro's in area comparisons lol. If there are errors I apologize, such is the risk with manual transcription.
1 New York 19,557,311
2 Los Angeles 17,539,880
3 Chicago 9,274,140
4 Dallas 7,943,685
5 Houston 7,368,466
6 San Francisco 6,518,123
7 Washington 6,279,183
8 Philadelphia 6,241,164
9 Atlanta 6,172,501
10 Miami 6,139,340
11 Phoenix 5,015,678
12 Boston 4,900,550
13 Riverside is a fraud metro see LA
14 Detroit 4,345,761
15 Seattle 4,034,248
16 Minneapolis 3,693,729
17 Tampa 3,290,730
18 San Diego 3,276,208
19 Denver 2,985,871
20 Baltimore 2,835,672
21 St. Louis 2,801,319
22 Orlando 2,764,182
23 Charlotte 2,756,069
24 San Antonio 2,655,342
25 Portland 2,509,489
26 Pittsburgh 2,434,021
27 Austin 2,421,115
28 Sacremento 2,416,702
29 Las Vegas 2,322,985
30 Cincinnati 2,258,099
31 Kansas City 2,209,494
32 Columbus 2,161,511
33 Cleveland 2,160,146
34 Indianapolis 2,119,839
35 Nashville 2,072,283
36 San Jose is a fraud metro see San Fran
37 Norfolk 1,787,188
38 Jacksonville 1,675,668
39 Providence 1,673,802
40 Milwaukee 1,559,792
41 Raleigh 1,484,338
42 Oklahoma City 1,459,380
43 Louisville 1,361,946
44 Memphis 1,339,855
45 Richmond 1,339,182
46 Salt Lake City 1,266,191
47 Birmingham 1,181,196
48 Fresno 1,175,446
49 Buffalo 1,161,192
50 Hartford 1,158,069
51 Grand Rapids 1,157,752
52 Tucson 1,057,597
53 Rochester 1,056,801
54 Tulsa 1,034,123
55 Honolulu 995,638
56 Omaha 976,671
57 New Orleans 972,913
58 Greenville 958,958
59 Bridgeport 950,976
60 Albuquerque 919,543
61 Bakersfield 916,108
62 Albany 904,617
Great job expanding out, but your Atlanta and DC numbers are off. I posted them in an earlier post.
I can't find a list, but here is a manually transcribed ranking from one of the OP's posts. Since I'm the one transcribing the list it has my "personalized" touch as I refuse to recognize San Jose or Riverside as actual independent metro's in area comparisons lol. If there are errors I apologize, such is the risk with manual transcription.
1 New York 19,557,311
2 Los Angeles 17,539,880
3 Chicago 9,274,140
4 Dallas 7,943,685
5 Houston 7,368,466
6 San Francisco 6,518,123
7 Washington 6,279,183
8 Philadelphia 6,241,164
9 Atlanta 6,172,501
10 Miami 6,139,340
11 Phoenix 5,015,678
12 Boston 4,900,550
13 Riverside is a fraud metro see LA
14 Detroit 4,345,761
15 Seattle 4,034,248
16 Minneapolis 3,693,729
17 Tampa 3,290,730
18 San Diego 3,276,208
19 Denver 2,985,871
20 Baltimore 2,835,672
21 St. Louis 2,801,319
22 Orlando 2,764,182
23 Charlotte 2,756,069
24 San Antonio 2,655,342
25 Portland 2,509,489
26 Pittsburgh 2,434,021
27 Austin 2,421,115
28 Sacremento 2,416,702
29 Las Vegas 2,322,985
30 Cincinnati 2,258,099
31 Kansas City 2,209,494
32 Columbus 2,161,511
33 Cleveland 2,160,146
34 Indianapolis 2,119,839
35 Nashville 2,072,283
36 San Jose is a fraud metro see San Fran
37 Norfolk 1,787,188
38 Jacksonville 1,675,668
39 Providence 1,673,802
40 Milwaukee 1,559,792
41 Raleigh 1,484,338
42 Oklahoma City 1,459,380
43 Louisville 1,361,946
44 Memphis 1,339,855
45 Richmond 1,339,182
46 Salt Lake City 1,266,191
47 Birmingham 1,181,196
48 Fresno 1,175,446
49 Buffalo 1,161,192
50 Hartford 1,158,069
51 Grand Rapids 1,157,752
52 Tucson 1,057,597
53 Rochester 1,056,801
54 Tulsa 1,034,123
55 Honolulu 995,638
56 Omaha 976,671
57 New Orleans 972,913
58 Greenville 958,958
59 Bridgeport 950,976
60 Albuquerque 919,543
61 Bakersfield 916,108
62 Albany 904,617
New Orleans dropped a full 10 spots in the MSA rankings. Never thought I’d see the day where NOLA becomes a peer city to Omaha. They’ve essentially accelerated a couple decades worth of population decline. Has a change this dramatic occurred in recent times? I can’t think of one example since I started following this stuff in the 2000s.
Btw, I love your position on the fraud metros. Thank you for continuing to call them out
New Orleans dropped a full 10 spots in the MSA rankings. Never thought I’d see the day where NOLA becomes a peer city to Omaha. They’ve essentially accelerated a couple decades worth of population decline. Has a change this dramatic occurred in recent times? I can’t think of one example since I started following this stuff in the 2000s.
Btw, I love your position on the fraud metros. Thank you for continuing to call them out
I wouldn't call it population decline if a county was removed. I doubt that the northern burbs of New Orleans consider themselves a separate metro. The new Slidell metro would be a bs metro like Riverside
Good luck getting away from that daisy chain effect.
Metros are getting less and less centralized.
I do agree that the dasy chain links takes away from the legitimacy of some areas in metros, but with employment centers popping up in edge cities all across the country, how do you get around it?
Absorbing the whole county into a metro is something that must go. Maybe that would help limit the daisy chain effect.
Another thing might be to have different commuting qualifications. Maybe a higher threshold for non-central counties.
We have gotten so used to comparing regions, and looking at them as cities that now they are all giant blobs we don't know what to make of them.
Maybe we need to go back to more local levels. One central county and the metro based on commuting into that central county. Maybe an adjacent county can become a central county if there is continuous development between the two of at least 5k ppsm and a commuting threshold of 25%.
Idk, it's becoming more and more meaningless having areas considered one just because they are close.
I agree metros are becoming less centralized. I don't think we are getting away from counties any time soon.
I think CSAs should be done away with all together. I would rather a secondary type (not sure what to call it), that uses the 15% employment interchange threshold for individual counties vs the central county or counties.
Washington MSA: 6,265,183
Philadelphia MSA: 6,241,163
Atlanta MSA: 6,237,435
Atlanta will surely pass DC too.
And I have a suspicion that Philadelphia may sneak up on DC. If that is the case, then "poor DC" for dropping 2 spots.
*Just a predication, no need for outrage.
Keep in mind metro land areas. Atlanta ~8400 sq/miles, Philadelphia ~5700sq/miles.
I wouldn't put Greater Philadelphia in the stagnant PA bucket because it will drop a spot, and considering the region (and Lehigh Valley) largely keeps the state afloat (different topic though).
The vast majority of the population growth in the Atlanta MSA is from 5 counties: Fulton, Gwinnett, Dekalb, Cobb, Forsyth, and Clayton (1,978 square miles). Outside of here, you don't see much growth.
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