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So here's the ranking of the Big 13. Old numbers in parentheses.
New York: 21,914,996 (23,143,097)
Los Angeles: 18,372,485 (18,372,485)
Washington: 10,024,821 (9,968,104)
Chicago: 9,806,184 (9,806,184)
San Jose: 9,000,058 (9,482,708)
Dallas: 8,487,736 (8,449,932)
Boston: 8,317,131 (8,413,327)
Houston: 7,561,444 (7,533,096)
Philadelphia: 7,381,187 (7,381,187)
Atlanta: 7,136,414 (7,088,898)
Miami: 6,949,522 (6,909,110)
Detroit: 5,368,296 (5,368,296)
Phoenix: 5,069,600 (5,069,600)
No major CSA changed rankings as a result of the new delineations. Dallas is probably 5 years away from being a Top 5 CSA though now.
And with that, I'll call it a night since I'm urban exploring Kansas City atm and need to wake up early tomorrow for a daytrip to Independence (Truman history sites)
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WASHINGTON CSA Components
Baltimore: 2,835,672
Cambridge: 32,726
Chambersburg: 156,902
Easton: 37,932
Hagerstown: 302,510
Lake of the Woods: 37,991
Lexington Park: 209,450 (absorbed Calvert Co., which used to be in the Washington Metro) Washington - Arlington Division: 3,136,707
Washington - Frederick Division: 1,339,600
Washington - Washington Division: 1,788,876
Winchester: 146,455
WASHINGTON CSA POPULATION: 10,024,821
Population under Previous Population: 9,968,104
Change: +56,717
Losses: Madison Co. (-14,000)
Gains: Cambridge μ (+32,726), Lake of the Woods μ (+37,991)
Correction: Please note that I found 1 error in my previous synopsis that was causing my numbers to be off. It turns out that Madison County was removed from the Washington MSA and I did not catch that.
I calculated 2,746,316 for the Arlington-Alexandria-Reston Metro Division, but I may be missing some jurisdictions. I did notice that Madison County, VA was removed too.
I actually like this area broken up into the 3 separate Metro Divisions as NoVa definitely deserved it's own. It will take getting used to on lists of metro divisions overall seeing the NOVA MD larger than DC or Montgomery MD's
Here are the new MSA numbers based on the updated metropolitan delineations:
Updated MSAs (4 million plus)
New York MSA: 19,557,311
Los Angeles MSA: 12,872,322
Chicago MSA: 9,274,200
Dallas MSA: 7,943,685
Houston MSA: 7,368,466
Washington MSA: 6,265,183
Philadelphia MSA: 6,241,163
Atlanta MSA: 6,237,435
Miami MSA: 6,139,330
Phoenix MSA: 5,015,678
Boston MSA: 4,900,550
Riverside MSA: 4,667,558
San Francisco MSA: 4,579,599
Detroit MSA: 4,345,761
Seattle MSA: 4,034,248
Quick Takeaways: The 6 million metros are very close in population. Only 126,000 people separate Miami and Washington. Seattle finally entered the 4 million club. Dallas will hit 8 million next year. Boston and San Francisco may align more with their CSA population or at least some of it because the MSA population feels too small for those two cities.
ALLENTOWN/BETHLEHEM CSA Components
Allentown/Bethlehem MSA: 861,889
East Stroudsburg μSA: 168,327
ALLENTOWN/BETHLEHEM CSA POPULATION: 1,030,216
Population under previous delineation: N/A (new CSA)
Change: N/A (new CSA)
Gains: East Stroudsburg μSA (+168,327)
Losses: N/A (new CSA)
WASHINGTON CSA Components
Baltimore: 2,835,672
Cambridge: 32,726
Chambersburg: 156,902
Easton: 37,932
Hagerstown: 302,510
Lake of the Woods: 37,991
Lexington Park: 209,450 (absorbed Calvert Co., which used to be in the Washington Metro)
Washington - Arlington Division: 3,136,707
Washington - Frederick Division: 1,339,600
Washington - Washington Division: 1,788,876
Winchester: 146,455
WASHINGTON CSA POPULATION: 10,024,821
Population under Previous Population: 9,968,104
Change: +56,717
Losses: Madison Co. (-14,000)
Gains: Cambridge μ (+32,726), Lake of the Woods μ (+37,991)
Correction: Please note that I found 1 error in my previous synopsis that was causing my numbers to be off. It turns out that Madison County was removed from the Washington MSA and I did not catch that.
Washington-Baltimore-Arlington now in megacity numbers before Chicagoland and the Bay Area, though whether CSA is a good basis for that is very disputable.
So now that New Haven anchors a CSA of 2.75 million are we all in agreement that CSA’s are very stupid and the only reason they look okay most of the time in most cities are far apart from each other than adding counties 45 miles away basically no population so they don’t “look wrong” but the minute you enter areas with multiple cities within shouting distance of each other it totally breaks down. DC-Balt, New Haven-Hartford, Boston-Worcester-Providence, Cleveland-Akron-Canton and yes the Bay Area are insane concoctions.
Or I guess we were all sleeping in New Haven which is apparently a peer city to St Louis
Edit: even MSA’s even kind of suck. In areas with rather high base densities like the NE corridor and such it causes issues. Just looking at NECTA’s vs MSA’s while Boston nets out close to 0, almost a million people are misclassified. On a county level Salem/Windham/Pelham suck in Portsmouth to the Boston MSA, while Worcester and Providence take Eastern Worcester County towns and Northern Bristol county towns away from Boston. In addition some Western Middlesex towns are cut from the MSA in the NECTA. New Bedford (which doesn’t have an MSA) takes a couple Plymouth county towns as well.
Unfortunately NECTA do not exist outside New England but I think you’d see similar things if you somehow applied that standard to like Miami-Ft Lauderdale. The fact the units are in the millions of people screw everything up,
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So now that New Haven anchors a CSA of 2.75 million are we all in agreement that CSA’s are very stupid and the only reason they look okay most of the time in most cities are far apart from each other than adding counties 45 miles away basically no population so they don’t “look wrong” but the minute you enter areas with multiple cities within shouting distance of each other it totally breaks down. DC-Balt, New Haven-Hartford, Boston-Worcester-Providence, Cleveland-Akron-Canton and yes the Bay Area are insane concoctions.
Or I guess we were all sleeping in New Haven which is apparently a peer city to St Louis
CSAs don't mean much much and New Haven is great and maybe should be considered more of a peer city of St. Louis but not so much that New Haven has been doing so well so much as St. Louis has had some very tough several decades and New Haven's municipal boundaries are quite small but it has municipalities next to it with maybe more people crossing through such than those crossing through some parts of St. Louis proper.
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Washington-Baltimore-Arlington now in megacity numbers before Chicagoland and the Bay Area, though whether CSA is a good basis for that is very disputable.
I know of two MSA’s that were combined into one CSA, and the expanse of farmland and swampy wilderness one must traverse in the 43 miles between the two principal cities are an example of why CSA’s are even worse than MSA’s for assessing size. Like CSA’s, MSA’s include rural areas. I’m a UA guy - urban area.
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