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Reno and Carson City are, for all intents and purposes, a single metropolitan region!
Yeah if it were up to me and I could ignore commuting patterns, it'd be:
MSA
Washoe
Storey
Lyon
Carson City
Douglas (the Carson-Douglas border runs through a strip mall, it'd be weird to only include one)
(would include the other counties ringing Tahoe but those are in the Sac MSA)
CSA
Churchill
Alpine CA
Sierra CA
Plumas CA
maybe Lassen CA --- weird edge case; the populated parts of Lassen are nowhere close to Reno, but it feels weird to have to drive through the not-CSA (Lassen) to get to the CSA (Plumas)
Cleveland resurpassed Indianapolis it seems so that’s interesting (due to both Cle gaining a county and Indy losing one)
I don't think any city suffers from the OMB's statistical bylaws more than Cleveland. Folks on this website often think that it's a peer of cities like Indy and CBUS because of that MSA number. I think it's misleading. I truly believe that if the Cuyahoga National Forest didn't great a black out zone for development between Cleveland and Akron they would be one single UA, and Cleveland's position among the City/MSA hierarchy would be far less vague.
Cleveland's CSA has 3,615,968* people in 6,437 sq mi. The Twin Cities MSA has 3,690,512* in 7000+ sq mi. With context obviously I know MSP is the bigger UA and more centralized region. I'm not necessarily saying that Cleveland belongs next to MSP on a comparison list. I do think that amount of people within it's sphere of influence should be considered when discussing Cleveland though.
I don't think any city suffers from the OMB's statistical bylaws more than Cleveland. Folks on this website often think that it's a peer of cities like Indy and CBUS because of that MSA number. I think it's misleading. I truly believe that if the Cuyahoga National Forest didn't great a black out zone for development between Cleveland and Akron they would be one single UA, and Cleveland's position among the City/MSA hierarchy would be far less vague.
Cleveland's CSA has 3,615,968* people in 6,437 sq mi. The Twin Cities MSA has 3,690,512* in 7000+ sq mi. With context obviously I know MSP is the bigger UA and more centralized region. I'm not necessarily saying that Cleveland belongs next to MSP on a comparison list. I do think that amount of people within it's sphere of influence should be considered when discussing Cleveland though.
*Numbers taken from census reporter website.
Totally agree. It's one of the most misunderstood places in many ways. I think CLE does belong in comparisons with MSP though, easily. Columbus is not a peer.
I don't think any city suffers from the OMB's statistical bylaws more than Cleveland. Folks on this website often think that it's a peer of cities like Indy and CBUS because of that MSA number. I think it's misleading. I truly believe that if the Cuyahoga National Forest didn't great a black out zone for development between Cleveland and Akron they would be one single UA, and Cleveland's position among the City/MSA hierarchy would be far less vague.
Cleveland's CSA has 3,615,968* people in 6,437 sq mi. The Twin Cities MSA has 3,690,512* in 7000+ sq mi. With context obviously I know MSP is the bigger UA and more centralized region. I'm not necessarily saying that Cleveland belongs next to MSP on a comparison list. I do think that amount of people within it's sphere of influence should be considered when discussing Cleveland though.
*Numbers taken from census reporter website.
2,164,000 people live in 3 counties in the twin cities over 1137sq miles. In 5 counties it hits 3,000,000 at just over 2,000 sq miles.
When people do that sort of geographic nonsense it’s kind of silly because unless you’re talking Indy vs Cleveland where the metros have nearly the same population, all that excess 5,000 sq miles doesn’t have many people. Those “5,000 sq miles†added to make Minneapolis seem unfairly sprawly has a population similar to Ramsey County.
The idea Cleveland is clearly ahead of Indy is the fact counties are too big and the rounding error is in Indy’s favor but Cleveland’s detriment. But that’s *maybe* a 6-9% thing. It does not excuse adding an extra 1.5 million people. So instead of 2.165 vs 2.135 it’s like 2.350 vs 1.960 million, making Cleveland ~35-40% bigger than Indy
Not a total gotcha but yea.. the complex was built when 128 was booming in the 80s. A little expansion of the office complex for more modern digs is normal.
EOD Boston is a super concentrated metro to a fault in more ways than one. Amenities and transti options ought to be better in more areas and then it could really decentralize. Look at what the WMATA does for DC (peep the Silver Line extension there). brings cost down, increases population and increases prosperity.
Okeechobee? I don't think anybody in the Miami metro even knows where that is!
(Well we know it's probably near the Lake!)
Damn near Central Florida.
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