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As for Okeechobee being added to Miami MSA, LOL. 10 miles south of Yeehaw Junction (which is in Osceola County in the Orlando MSA), you are entering Miami CSA with over 155 miles to go to Miami and 80 miles to go to West Palm Beach. It's already hilarious that Indian River County is now included into Miami CSA. But now you add Okeechobee?
At this rate, they might as well allow Miami to complete the set and make S. Florida to officially include (Manatee, Hardee, Highlands, Okeechobee & Indian River down to the keys.
I know of two MSA’s that were combined into one CSA, and the expanse of farmland and swampy wilderness one must traverse in the 43 miles between the two principal cities are an example of why CSA’s are even worse than MSA’s for assessing size. Like CSA’s, MSA’s include rural areas. I’m a UA guy - urban area.
I basically was an MSA guy until I saw these updated borders.
I myself go with the demographia urban areas (the census UAs are often split up but Demographia puts them together)
CSA’s are fine as long as the base unit (the county or equivalent) is stable and consistent. I’d have to study Connecticut’s new setup, but on the surface I’m not sure if we are dealing with apples and oranges, or apples and baseballs.
CSA is what I use to compare concert/entertainment/sports markets (I’m more interested in concert markets than labor markets in the first place, especially since labor markets are becoming semi-obsolete thanks to Covid)
But different concerts play in different markets for different reasons. Taylor Swift played Kansas City but not DC. San Fran got Stevie Nicks but not Billy Joel. How would you even try and make sense of that?
Urban areas that abut each other don’t make sense to me. Concord and Charlotte’s UA share a miles-long border without any room between them. Does Concord keep a separate UA simply for historical reasons?
Yes. If I recall the way it works correctly, if Concord's urban area's population or population density drops below the specified thresholds, it would then become eligible to become absorbed into Charlotte's.
2,164,000 people live in 3 counties in the twin cities over 1137sq miles. In 5 counties it hits 3,000,000 at just over 2,000 sq miles.
When people do that sort of geographic nonsense it’s kind of silly because unless you’re talking Indy vs Cleveland where the metros have nearly the same population, all that excess 5,000 sq miles doesn’t have many people. Those “5,000 sq miles” added to make Minneapolis seem unfairly sprawly has a population similar to Ramsey County.
The idea Cleveland is clearly ahead of Indy is the fact counties are too big and the rounding error is in Indy’s favor but Cleveland’s detriment. But that’s *maybe* a 6-9% thing. It does not excuse adding an extra 1.5 million people. So instead of 2.165 vs 2.135 it’s like 2.350 vs 1.960 million, making Cleveland ~35-40% bigger than Indy
Cleveland-Akron hits 2.11 million in 1,300 square miles in three counties. Cleveland-Akron-Canton hits just short of 3 million in 2,500 square miles if you are going by the most populated contiguous counties. Seems pretty similar to Minneapolis-St. Paul to me, regardless of what the census says. Minneapolis and St. Paul are counted as one; Cleveland-Akron-Canton are counted as three .
Urban Area wise, Cleveland-Elyria-Akron is 2.6 million in 1199 square miles; Minneapolis-St. Paul is 2.9 million in 1021 square miles. MSP is bigger there, but not by much, in comparison to the next tier (would probably be St. Louis ... not Indy)
According to the citypopulation site (won't link), MSP is the No. 172 urban agglomerate in the world at 3.3 million; Cleveland is No. 181 at 3.1 million.
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I just want to know what the purpose of spending time and our money to do this mess???????
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