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I have no problems with a good, well designed wall. However, as others have pointed out, it is not the "end all of end alls." Yes, it will slow down the supply of illegal aliens into this country. However, it won't stop it. Yet, it is one more tool at our disposal.
People don't want to admit the facts and attack this problem properly. Unless US Citizens want their taxes raises, exponentially, to solve this problem, there is going to come a time when nothing else is going to work. The borders are going to have to be mined and, as others have suggested, inter locking fields of fire, from machine guns, which will kill ANYONE who cross a certain line.
Until this occurs and people quit coming to this country, ILLEGALLY, all this "feel good" talk is just that. Feel good. Means jack and won't amount to jack.
For all those who say those people who are just trying to "better their lives" by coming here. Agreed. Yet, when these ILLEGAL ALIENS start getting public assistance, why aren't you the first in line to raise their hands, and have THEIR incomes taxed to pay for them? Why?
the reason most fruits and vegetables that are grown in this country were in danger of not being processed during a time of intense border control?
Because American workers, even if unemployed, will not work in the fields.
No breaks, heat, work 6 am to 6 pm, little money, no benefits, disease,
poison being spread from planes,
women assaulted by plantation owners...
yeah right...would you do the work?
Would you want you son or daughter to do it?
Here's where you go wrong. Most illegal aren't picking crops they are doing jobs that Americans have always done for a fair wage. Only 3% of illegals are picking crops. There are unlimited H-2A visas for legal, foreign crop pickers so there is no reason to hire illegals except for pure greed.
I have no problems with a good, well designed wall. However, as others have pointed out, it is not the "end all of end alls." Yes, it will slow down the supply of illegal aliens into this country. However, it won't stop it. Yet, it is one more tool at our disposal.
People don't want to admit the facts and attack this problem properly. Unless US Citizens want their taxes raises, exponentially, to solve this problem, there is going to come a time when nothing else is going to work. The borders are going to have to be mined and, as others have suggested, inter locking fields of fire, from machine guns, which will kill ANYONE who cross a certain line.
Until this occurs and people quit coming to this country, ILLEGALLY, all this "feel good" talk is just that. Feel good. Means jack and won't amount to jack.
For all those who say those people who are just trying to "better their lives" by coming here. Agreed. Yet, when these ILLEGAL ALIENS start getting public assistance, why aren't you the first in line to raise their hands, and have THEIR incomes taxed to pay for them? Why?
Mostly you would end up killing sheep and cattle and wildlife. Can you see how that will work as the internet shows video of our automatic border slaying Bambi and her mother?
The position is uttlerly absurd and you really ought to do a good soul search for even considering it. You really up there with the East Germans killing those crossing a line. You realize how barbaric that is?
Mostly you would end up killing sheep and cattle and wildlife. Can you see how that will work as the internet shows video of our automatic border slaying Bambi and her mother?
The position is uttlerly absurd and you really ought to do a good soul search for even considering it. You really up there with the East Germans killing those crossing a line. You realize how barbaric that is?
Hopefully you are not a Christian. They already have enough of that load without picking up more.
Did I say unmanned machine gun positions? All will be manned.
Barbaric is where the world is headed. There is a finite set of resources in this world and its going to come down to what I have said. Religion has nothing to do with this. In fact, more people have died in the name of religion, especially the Christian Religion, then just about anything else.
Like it or not, more problems in this world have been solved by pure raw violence, then ANY OTHER way combined. Don't like, fine. Move to mountains and sing Kumbia all day. I deal in realities. Not what "feels good." People are tired of paying for illegal aliens.
And if you aren't, why aren't you at the border passing out VISA Gift Cards you bought, with your own money, to illegal aliens? No where to be found and never will be found.
On our other border we have farmers plowing their fields back and forth across the border because politicians drew a line through their farms. Those families still own the same farms. In Maine we have an international border that goes through people's houses because of the Webster - Ashburton Treaty that established our border with Canada. It is not a problem. People walk, snowmobile, canoe and boat across our border. The border goes through our small lakes just as it does through the Great Lakes. No problem.
Why don't we have a problem with our Canadian border? Canadians have an economic system similar to ours. The only large scale immigration from Canada was during the Vietnam War when 55,000 brave Canadians came south to serve with us. Many became American citizens. Many went back home and were never recognized for their service against tyranny.
Why do we have a problem on our Mexican border? Mexico has no real freedom. They have a hugely corrupt patronage system and virtually no economic opportunity. Much of the country is run by drug cartels and women are treated as poorly as the women in Afghanistan. Other Latin/American countries operate that way. Even with the corrupt system there, we would not have an alien criminal problem if we did not reward the criminals. We give them free medical care, free housing, free educations and cash subsidies for coming here and breaking our laws.
Why can't the majority of our citizens understand that the system as it exists here is just as corrupt as the system these criminals left? We simply can't afford to pay these 33,000,000 criminals to stay here. They need to go home. They are not immigrants. Many of our grandparents were immigrants. They came on ships to make better lives for their families and they EARNED it.
This brief tome is not the while story, but it ought to be a simple explanation of why we cannot allow it. We cannot afford to support these people. They get first class service while we face death panels to get medical care.
Lets shoot on site! Its sad that as Americans if we go to other countries we are subjucated to outrageous laws but in America people do as they please. What if it was us that was at Mexico's border they would be killing us left and right, actually they pretty much are with their state sponsered "cartels".
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Originally Posted by lvoc
So you think you can get some young American to cut down the lady with kid in her arms? .
Moderator cut: Off topic lol they are using women and children to exploit us, get a Moderator cut: language clue... and yes I could, Id have no problem doing this if my freedom was at stake (which it is).
lol they are using women and children to exploit us, get a clue... and yes I could, Id have no problem doing this if my freedom was at stake (which it is).
Because you say that your freedom is even now at stake, I take it, then, that you're in military uniform right now.
On our other border we have farmers plowing their fields back and forth across the border because politicians drew a line through their farms. Those families still own the same farms. In Maine we have an international border that goes through people's houses because of the Webster - Ashburton Treaty that established our border with Canada. It is not a problem. People walk, snowmobile, canoe and boat across our border. The border goes through our small lakes just as it does through the Great Lakes. No problem.
Why don't we have a problem with our Canadian border? Canadians have an economic system similar to ours. The only large scale immigration from Canada was during the Vietnam War when 55,000 brave Canadians came south to serve with us. Many became American citizens. Many went back home and were never recognized for their service against tyranny.
Why do we have a problem on our Mexican border? Mexico has no real freedom. They have a hugely corrupt patronage system and virtually no economic opportunity. Much of the country is run by drug cartels and women are treated as poorly as the women in Afghanistan. Other Latin/American countries operate that way. Even with the corrupt system there, we would not have an alien criminal problem if we did not reward the criminals. We give them free medical care, free housing, free educations and cash subsidies for coming here and breaking our laws.
Why can't the majority of our citizens understand that the system as it exists here is just as corrupt as the system these criminals left? We simply can't afford to pay these 33,000,000 criminals to stay here. They need to go home. They are not immigrants. Many of our grandparents were immigrants. They came on ships to make better lives for their families and they EARNED it.
This brief tome is not the while story, but it ought to be a simple explanation of why we cannot allow it. We cannot afford to support these people. They get first class service while we face death panels to get medical care.
Did you forget the 100,000 Americans who moved to Canada to escape the Viet Nam war?
Drug cartels? YOu mean the American funded drug cartels that screw up society in our neighbor?
Of course we are going to allow it. There is no other available outcome. And we are going to make the problem worse and worse as people with views such as this prevent resolving the problem.
First off, the US economy is in a kind of trouble that has little or nothing to do with the fact of our porous southern border. When a poster adequately points out that the majority of those illegals who take the higher range of American jobs actually come here via other routes than the feet on the ground crossing, they're ignored. The usual suspects here love to weigh in with their over the top nonsense such as the gun club talk of "fields of interlocking fire" and "mining" the border, but this is only a small part of the evidence of American ignorance relative to this issue.
The hugely complex aspects of the Mexican/American relationship when viewed from the border has to include the knowledge that Mexico is suffering from a wholly different type of economic meltdown that can be attributed to the IMF loans and their subsequent impact on Mexico's lowest socio/economic class. The phrase, "nothing left to lose" typifies the predicament of these Mexican and latin American economic refugees who brazenly cross into the unknown territory of our southern states, not knowing IF they can find a sustainable life, they only know the one they left behind isn't.
When we really understand the entire complexities of immigration we can readily see the need to slow down ALL immigration until we can get our economy rolling again, it isn't the illegal who is a threat to US workers, the LEGAL foreigners who are here in Silicon Valley and Redmond Wa, Portland Oregon, and all over Colorado are just as much a problem as those who sneak across the border in the dark of night.
One large part of this whole dilemma lies in the fact of American policy relative to Mexico and points south,the economic juggernaut of western capital has brought millions of economic refugees to our country, every war, every economic sanction, every lopsided trade treaty, brings more people here looking to "get ahead". The Vietnamese, Laotian, African, South American, and Eastern European peoples, have all come here because their own nations are crumbling, war torn, nightmarish places to live. Meanwhile, the WTO, IMF, World Bank, and a ton of upper class American interests are being served by all this immigration, when we're willing to look at this kind of circumvention of our democracy we may just see a way to curb the appetite of these people who will risk everything to be in our midst.
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