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Old 09-02-2014, 09:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated View Post
Simple.

Birth rate is 1.9. Replacement rate is 2.1.

Population decline is economic decline. Anyone with anything vested in the U.S. economy is facing economic collapse in 20 years if replacement rate is not met through birth + immigration.

Need some examples? Japan. Europe.
You know, you posted this before recently. This was explained to you in the other thread you started. You seem to want the population to keep growing. What will be too many people for you? Look at India, they have over 1 billion people and not enough potable water. Is that what you want for this country?

Back in the 60s and 70s, liberals were pushing for ZPG (zero population growth) because they were concerned about the effects that overpopulation had on the environment and our natural resources. Many liberals decided to not have kids of their own due to such concerns.

Did you even read the feedback that you got from your other thread?

In fact your post quoted above is almost verbatim to the post in the thread you started:

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...on-policy.html

 
Old 09-02-2014, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Atlantis
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Because people living within the Corporation of the United States are inventory.

And children from birth until the age of 18 years old are potential future taxpayers. A valuable resource for a government that basis it's existence on extracting taxes from the population. More inventory equals more taxes.

And the ability of the US government to 'borrow' money from the Federal Reserve is based on a combination of current annual taxes collected and forecasts of the potential to collect future taxes. More children equals more future taxes to be collected from the point in time they are 18 until death.

That is why the government essentially takes care of existing people under the age of 18 through the primary caregivers (parents) with housing assistance, EBT cards, public schools, etc. - It is a way to take care of resources that have future taxpaying potential, and enables the government to borrow more fake, fiat, paper money from the Federal Reserve. The total amount borrowed is based on the total existing population that pays taxes along with the next wave of taxpayers that will pay from the age of 18 until death.

Children in the eyes of the government are valuable resources in terms of future taxes that will be collected.

China is not dumb. The over $1 trillion that the US owes China is based on the fact that the US has a large population and growing larger and the money owed will be paid back with taxes collected from that population.

More inventory (people) equals the ability to incur more debt.
 
Old 09-03-2014, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Purgatory
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Originally Posted by D217 View Post
Well, since the government wants to take ownership and pass laws on every woman's uterus, they can go ahead and take care of all those precious little babies too.
^ Yup. Everyone always beaching about their tax money supporting children and moms and yet no one is making access to abortion more accessible.

At least usually not the same people beaching anyways....
 
Old 09-03-2014, 02:31 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by smommaof3 View Post
The government is smart not to give that way. Watch someone gain weight, have a stroke, or get cancer (yes that happened to women) from it and sue from MILLIONS. There was some birthcontrol (I think Yaz/s?) that got sued a few years ago because it made women die or have get cancer or something like that. Imagine all the lawyers that would want that government money.
Not gonna happen.

Offering free birth control does not equal forcing someone to use it.

Every woman would still have the free will to choose which method of birth control to use, if any.

One of my local grocery stores with a pharmacy offers free antibiotics.

Do you think they are going to be sued if someone has a bad reaction to one of those antibiotics?

The manufacturer.....maybe.....the doctor.....maybe.....the store who offered them for free? NO!
 
Old 09-03-2014, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by runswithscissors View Post
No offense but you know how she "got" pregnant right?

The government doesn't give "a little tax credit". Cradle to grave care is not a little leg up.

Right now we are paying for 3 meals a day 365 days a year for other people's children, for example.

The government just finished importing THOUSANDS of illiterate and unskilled illegals and are shipping them all over the country and sticking GROWN MEN in school rooms with [your] children.

They just included FREE BIRTH CONTROL in mandatory health care. "free" LOL. Nothing is free. So what happened?

But you're right ONE THIRD of the country is living on some type of government money not including veterans.

Everybody laughed at Palin when she spoke about increasing food costs a couple years ago.

Keep laughing.

Big centralized government is determined to have women married to GOVERNMENT not you. Not family formations, not private property ownership and for SURE not raising your kids yourselves. This has been the plan for over fifty years.

Why isn't there any affordable entry level private property ownership/housing for a young couple? Because of government regs and ZONING and "planning commissions". Why does the state of FL own fifty percent of all property? It increases demand and lowers supply thereby raising the prices. DUH.

HOW are young people supposed to buy these high priced houses and HOW did the government think they could FAKE MORTGAGE approvals when housing was increasing in price and wages stagnant. Governments are bad at simple math.

This does not foster family formations but a bunch of single people without attachments to communities or other people. And the govt LOVES that. Stack 'em up in urban centers where you get the VOTE ....do NOTHING for stable property owners in more "rural areas" except get their money.

LIFE OF JULIA is here.
lol you had me till here. That may have something to do with the fact that we in Fl consider wetlands to be protected habitat, and this State is one massive swamp. You cant develop on wetlands anyways unless you drive posts into the bedrock Venice style. Even that isn't a viable long term solution though as Italy is learning.
 
Old 09-03-2014, 06:53 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Utopian Slums View Post
^ Yup. Everyone always beaching about their tax money supporting children and moms and yet no one is making access to abortion more accessible.

At least usually not the same people beaching anyways....
How about taking precautions not to get pregnant in the first place? Now there's a novel idea.
 
Old 09-03-2014, 07:24 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
How about taking precautions not to get pregnant in the first place?
You becha!

How about funding sex education and INSISTING on completion?
How about making it EASY to get effective contraception?
How about making that FREE as well?
How about funding family planning centers and (gasp!) abortion services?

Long story short...
You can't bich and moan about the effect of one set of choices being made...
if you can't be honest about the other set of choices being made as well.
 
Old 09-03-2014, 09:38 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated
Simple.

Birth rate is 1.9. Replacement rate is 2.1.

Population decline is economic decline. Anyone with anything vested in the U.S. economy is facing economic collapse in 20 years if replacement rate is not met through birth + immigration.

Need some examples? Japan. Europe.
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Originally Posted by BOS2IAD View Post
You know, you posted this before recently. This was explained to you in the other thread you started. You seem to want the population to keep growing. What will be too many people for you? Look at India, they have over 1 billion people and not enough potable water. Is that what you want for this country?

Back in the 60s and 70s, liberals were pushing for ZPG (zero population growth) because they were concerned about the effects that overpopulation had on the environment and our natural resources. Many liberals decided to not have kids of their own due to such concerns.

Did you even read the feedback that you got from your other thread?

In fact your post quoted above is almost verbatim to the post in the thread you started:

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...on-policy.html
And it was true the fist time it was posted. This not sports. You can't cheer your team into a new reality. The birth rate is now below the replacement rate and that is a fact here, Europe, China, Russia and almost every other place on earth.

Giving women a choice about pregnancy and career has changed the world. I don't necessarily agree that economic decline is imminent, but the world is going to have fewer people in generations to come.
 
Old 09-03-2014, 09:38 AM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BOS2IAD View Post
You know, you posted this before recently. This was explained to you in the other thread you started. You seem to want the population to keep growing. What will be too many people for you? Look at India, they have over 1 billion people and not enough potable water. Is that what you want for this country?

Back in the 60s and 70s, liberals were pushing for ZPG (zero population growth) because they were concerned about the effects that overpopulation had on the environment and our natural resources. Many liberals decided to not have kids of their own due to such concerns.

Did you even read the feedback that you got from your other thread?

In fact your post quoted above is almost verbatim to the post in the thread you started:

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...on-policy.html
Replacement rate means stable population. Growing population would be greater than the replacement rate.
 
Old 09-03-2014, 09:42 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Originally Posted by MrRational View Post
You becha!

How about funding sex education and INSISTING on completion?
How about making it EASY to get effective contraception?
How about making that FREE as well?
How about funding family planning centers and (gasp!) abortion services?

Long story short...
You can't bich and moan about the effect of one set of choices being made...
if you can't be honest about the other set of choices being made as well.
LOL! If it's not provided FREE (that means those of us that work or have worked will have to pay for everyone) then it doesn't exist! Has to be provided FREE by the government in order to be relevant. After all, we can't expect ANYONE to be responsible unless the government provides something FREE.

What a hoot.
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